Destiny: Rise of Iron 9.20.16

Utnayan_sl said:

Destiny will not let you trade items with other players.

Destiny Wont Let You Trade Items With Other Players At Launch - GameSpot

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Not sure how I feel. I didn't need it at all during the beta and I didn't even notice it as a missing feature but then again it was beta. If I need to kill a boss 1000 times to get Must_have_to_raid_weapon_0624 then I'm sure I'll start to get real bitchy then.

Yeah that's a good decision imho.

Selix_sl said:

Not sure how I feel. I didn't need it at all during the beta and I didn't even notice it as a missing feature but then again it was beta. If I need to kill a boss 1000 times to get Must_have_to_raid_weapon_0624 then I'm sure I'll start to get real bitchy then.

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They can tune drop rates around the idea that everything is self-found, and not have to make certain items ungodly rare because there's a market that would otherwise be flooded with them. Hopefully they don't fuck it up royally like Blizzard did when switching D3 over to that model.

I'm more curious if they're sticking with the retarded idea that you should only be able to equip one weapon slot and one armor slot with exotics. I feel like they've been taking the softball questions since beta and remaining completely silent about the important ones. Not just loot, or [lack of] raid finder, but stuff like letting people know if anything came out of that massive thread about how communication in the game is utterly nonexistent.

2 weeks...just 2 weeks

http://xim4.com/shop

Xim4 back in stock

Selix_sl said:

http://xim4.com/shop

Xim4 back in stock

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Am I the only one that thinks this sounds like cheating on a console? I guess its a steep price to pay though. I know someone mentioned it earlier, was there any clarification on the consoles banning players using one?

Gator_sl said:

Am I the only one that thinks this sounds like cheating on a console? I guess its a steep price to pay though. I know someone mentioned it earlier, was there any clarification on the consoles banning players using one?

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I haven't seen or heard of any cases of anyone being banned on the PS4 using one of these devices. Personally I'm of fan of allowing people to use whatever (non automatic obviously) control scheme they want. KB/M, trackpad, power glove, touch screen controller types 1, 2 3, or 12, whatever. Consoles could easily allow for any type of control scheme just requiring they all support XYZ default functions.

Of course that would take away the money pit that is controllers.

I'm still not sure how the whole thing works. Like I said in my earlier comments the device would have to be faster then the in game settings for turning for you not to feel any lag with a mouse.
If its causing the game to move faster then it normally would that should be easily flagged by any server running anti cheat programs on it.

It basically just uses the mouse to emulate the right stick. They get better at doing it smoothly with each hardware revision, but that's the crux of what it does. Keyboard keys/mouse buttons are mapped to left stick, d-pad, and the buttons. And yeah, there's a trade-off of left-stick movement, which a keyboard can never match, and right stick precision. Which one is more important depends on the game.

I still wouldn't spend the money on it for Destiny, even being a lifelong hater of gamepad fps. There's so much autoaim it's simply not needed.

That's the logistics of it, but not what I was talking about. Your physical mouse movement is going to be faster then what the game can output.

The fastest in game setting for turning in Destiny isn't even close to a modern PC game. Also I believe the x axis rotation on that game is much faster then the z axis rotation.
They would have to beat that to make it a smooth experience. Some games controller sensitivity is already set up to match the KB/Mouse, Destiny isn't one of those games.

If the device itself is truly beating the in game settings, then that could come up as cheating.

Column_sl said:

That's the logistics of it, but not what I was talking about. Your physical mouse movement is going to be faster then what the game can output.

The fastest in game setting for turning in Destiny isn't even close to a modern PC game. Also I believe the x axis rotation on that game is much faster then the z axis rotation.
They would have to beat that to make it a smooth experience. Some games controller sensitivity is already set up to match the KB/Mouse, Destiny isn't one of those games.

If the device itself is truly beating the in game settings, then that could come up as cheating.

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I thought that was just a limitation of standard PS4 controllers? That any of a dozen pro/custom PS4 controllers make physical (and some more then physical I think) modifications to the dual shock sticks that allow you to move/turn faster, look up and down faster as well as have higher precision aiming. When I was watching the Destiny PS4 twitch streams during beta there was a top Halo player (ninja I think?) who was leading the boards and he could literally turn a full 180 in 1 - 1.5 seconds then flip around again just wracking up kills. I spent nearly 2 hours messing with my PS4 settings trying to figure out how to make my sensitivity go any higher then it was (yes it was maxed in Destiny) but even so I couldn't come CLOSE to turning that faster no matter how hard or fast I shoved the stick over.

And yes I know you can both aim right and turn left to make yourself turn around faster and even then I could not turn as fast. I seriously thought both of my controllers were broken after testing this over and over again until he said he was using some custom PS4 controller in his stream.

For some reason twitch is down so I can't grab any of this guys past broadcasts to show what I mean if this is the same guy I use to watch over lunch.

I dont think that was Ninja, I watched him throughout the Destiny beta, and he was using a stock controller,and showed his setting were one notch under default.

Sager, and the rest of the good players use default with stock pads.

I'm not saying you aren't correct that the hardware is limiting, and the game is set so high that you can make it turn as fast as you want with the right gamepad.
I would have to see it tho in practice.

Malkav_sl said:

It uses game-specific profiles generated by the developer. When a game comes out, they get data from like 24 hours of gameplay in order to have a good translation between joystick and mouse that is adapted to the game.

Everything is managed via an android or PC app that connects to the hardware via bluetooth. You can remap buttons, adjust sensitivity (both for hip fire and aim down sights) and so on via the app.

You need to have compatible hardware though. For example, my Razer Naga 2014 is recognized, but as most new razers it doesn't have onboard memory so the thing just uses default dpi when not plugged in to a PC, which kinda sucks with the XIM. That's why I ordered a G502s to go with it. Basically, you just set your mouse to max DPI, the game to max sensitivity, and then you adjust sensitivity in the app until you're good with it.

Sure it's not really plug&play, but it beats sucking with a controller once it's done.

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Quoting my previous explanation on the subject.

For the Destiny beta, people were using the Halo 4 profile (profiles are called smart translators btw) because the game uses almost exactly the same aim mechanic.

There are a few videos on youtube of people playing the beta/alpha with Xim (it was still beta Xim4 software on the previous gen Xim at that point though), here's one :
XIM4 - Destiny Beta PvP 51 Kills by Cronos (PS4) - YouTube

Everything is managed via an android or PC app that connects to the hardware via bluetooth. You can remap buttons, adjust sensitivity (both for hip fire and aim down sights) and so on via the app.

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This is where it gets shady tho.


If the hardware is truly the limiter, and the ingame settings sensitivity is limited by the hardware then it doesn't matter. The game's sensitivity is pretty much infinity depending on what device you use on it.

If the software's sensitivity value is set no matter what hardware you use, and an outside app is making it go faster then normal. You can see how that will easily tip off any anti cheating programs running on a server.

Column_sl said:

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This is where it gets shady tho, an outside app working in the background.


If the hardware is truely the limiter, and the ingame settings sensitivity is limited by the hardware then it doesn't matter.

If the software's sensitivity value is set no matter what hardware you use, and an outside app is making it go faster then normal. You can see how that will easily tip off any anti cheating programs running on a server.

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The app is for setting it up and uploading the settings to the Xim via Bluetooth. And you just adjust the sensitivity translation with it. You can basically close the app after setting it up.

And it's worth noting you CAN'T exceed the turn speed cap from the game. So in games like Destiny, you won't really get that really fast mouse movement like on PC, so you have to get used to this different feel. You sure do get mouse accuracy though.

And it's worth noting you CAN'T exceed the turn speed cap from the game. So in games like Destiny, you won't really get that really fast mouse movement like on PC,

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Ah , then that proves it is not hardware related like previously said.

To me that would be horrible for Destiny. The X and Y rotations are on two diffrent speeds all together ( this was tested by Ninja). That combined with the auto aim, you are better off on a game pad.