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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Argarth
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LOL, yeah if there's money on the table, they'll take it for sure. I'll probably wait for the inevitable week 1 patch.
If I can contain myself that is... and now that I've said it, I'm not so sure anymore.
Season 1 doesn't start until a week after release either, last I heard, so yeah it's free money. I wonder if they laugh about this shit in meetings?
Juvarisx
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They have already said the battlepass will not be any form of player power. The xp pots and boosts will be on the free track so you can raise alts quickly during seasons, the premium track is the seasonal cosmetics they want to sell.
The in-game shop will likely have additional skips, xp pots, static mounts / mount armor, static cosmetics etc.
This shit isn't complicated. 70 bucks for base game, 90 for base game + first seasonal cosmetic, $100 for base game + seasonal cosmetic, and a skip so you can wear it day 1.
If you want to see an example of a shit battle pass go look at PoE's. Was talking to Darkee about this the other day, XP pots or skips are fine. If PoE offered an oppertunity to skip the story after the first time doing it per season for like $20, they would make so much fucking money. Chris Wilson is going to Chris Wilson though.
The in-game shop will likely have additional skips, xp pots, static mounts / mount armor, static cosmetics etc.
This shit isn't complicated. 70 bucks for base game, 90 for base game + first seasonal cosmetic, $100 for base game + seasonal cosmetic, and a skip so you can wear it day 1.
If you want to see an example of a shit battle pass go look at PoE's. Was talking to Darkee about this the other day, XP pots or skips are fine. If PoE offered an oppertunity to skip the story after the first time doing it per season for like $20, they would make so much fucking money. Chris Wilson is going to Chris Wilson though.
Argarth
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Just remembering Marvel Heroes (F2P but still, also couldn't buy player power), I probably spent close to $400 on costumes, heroes, and storage over the 2-3 years I was heavily addicted, and I don't regret any of it. Storage space was basically mandatory (like PoE) but I could have earned the heroes by grinding, and of course the costumes were optional.
I don't have a problem with this sort of stuff either. It really depends on how much fun I'm having as to how much I'm happy to spend.
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GuardianX
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I'm not sure if you are aware of this but...businesses lie. Like ALL the time.
They TRY not to lie about things that get them sued, but they still do.
Don't forget insta levels, I know you said "Progression Speed" but you know "Instant level 80!" is gunna be for sale in short order, likely free for the first release. Their justification will be "It's not max level!"
I just want a solid answer on "Vaulting" of content.
I know it's a possibility at the table of "Seasonal Passes" because Destiny does it, Warframe does it and I'm guessing more games that I never played do it.
I really don't think I'm gunna get an answer to this until release or even after the first major "Season" they have comes to a close.
At some point they will probably sell gold, obols, veiled crystals, abstruse sigils, coiling wards, forgotten souls, scattered prisms, nightmare sigils, and ancestral sigils.
None of these directly give "player power" but all of them will be needed, especially gold in high quantities as everything that uses it ramps up very quickly.
Doomsayers will say "They're just selling player power indirectly!" and white knights will say "You don't HAVE to buy any of it, you can just farm it in-game!"
and round and round this argument will go again and again.
None of these directly give "player power" but all of them will be needed, especially gold in high quantities as everything that uses it ramps up very quickly.
Doomsayers will say "They're just selling player power indirectly!" and white knights will say "You don't HAVE to buy any of it, you can just farm it in-game!"
and round and round this argument will go again and again.
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Penance
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Mist
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rhinohelix
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Marvel Heroes was the game that broke me on spending money on games. I had all the heroes, and was constantly spending 20 here and 20 there. Near the end I put together a spreadsheet and realized I could have built a PC with all the money I had 20 and 30 dollar at a time spent on the game. I dearly loved it and probably played 3000+ hours but look at where all that money is today.
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I played the fuck out of Marvel Heroes and don't remember spending a dime, I don't even have any memory of it having a cash shop or anything. What the fuck did you spend that money on?
Chris
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They are putting a battle pass in a full price game, people are right to be suspicious.
Given Diablo Immortal's battle pass structures, indirect player power boosts are likely and that is all we know right now.
Obols being purchasable so you can gamble legendaries and get power via more optimal equipment is a reasonable guess.
Given Diablo Immortal's battle pass structures, indirect player power boosts are likely and that is all we know right now.
Obols being purchasable so you can gamble legendaries and get power via more optimal equipment is a reasonable guess.
Daidraco
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People somehow fucking forgot that for God knows how long, that Chinese fuck that was heading up Diablo Immortal was saying "You cant buy player power." Then followed it up with "You cannot buy player gear!" etc. etc. All of that bullshit only for everyone to find out after the completely ripped out everything from the beta of Immortal and strapped on a dildo in the ass kind of cash shop for retail, that you buy fucking gems indirectly through a fucking Crest Key system or w/e the hell they wanted to call it. So no, you cant buy player power. But you can buy the goddamn crests that give you the gems that are fucking tied to player power. THAT is why people are sketch about trusting Blizzard about the cash shop shit right now.
Its one of the reasons I paid attention to and brought up the "Dungeon Reset" bullshit in an earlier post. For it to be so up front and center just seems suspicious. Nevermind all the other little suspicious bullshit.
Its almost a definite that they are going to have all the crafting mats. There are 100 levels in this beta pass and its suppose to take a casual person 75 hours over three months to complete the battle pass. You can complete it faster or slower. For it to have a Freemium and a Premium route, does anyone really think they wont have shit like Obols in it? etc.? My question is what happens if you dont complete it in time? Will you lose the rest of the battle pass to the new season? We already know theyre going to have the equivalent of an "exp potion" or whatever. So whats to stop them from having a +Luck Potion or any other type of modifier thats "Not player power" but you know you want to say "Motherfucker, it is fucking player power cause it'll indirectly give me more chances at a legendary!" Just as you said.
Outside of all that - I just dont understand why anyone gives two flying fucks about what is or isnt in the battle pass. I know thats not the popular opinion but I rarely, if ever, buy that type of shit. I think Lost Ark got the most money out of me for that Platinum Pack. I got over thousand hours out of the game before the giving up on it and thats pennies per hour spent. I'm almost confident that D4 will be the same way even with a cash shop.
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rhinohelix
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Costumes, heroes, and various drop and XP boosts: I owned every character and took 7? I think to Cosmic. It was a lot of unique drops and XP I was farming. I'm not proud, sheesh. Just the initial Ultimate hero pack was $200. I really, truly, loved that game. I was all in.
Even though its not much money really as far as hobbies and what I could spend, ala drinking or fishing, I am super measured about it now. I have buddies that will easily spend more than what I spent on Marvel heroes on a weekend in Vegas or Lake Charles, or on a hunting trip to Wyoming or West Texas. Literally burning money is something you do when you think you are going to live forever.
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Khane
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People probably wouldn't care if it existed in a vacuum, but it doesn't. The game will be timegated, limiting resource gain potential which limits progression based on a schedule that Blizzard determines for you as a player.
So if a battle pass is providing you a way to bypass those progression locks its usually a certainty that those progression locks are put in place to entice players to spend money on the battle pass or individual boosts.
The specifics aren't released yet but it's not exactly a stretch to expect that. And that's why people give a shit.