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Jackie Treehorn

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If you got calibrated at 500 MMR, I think I'd start a new account, that's pretty fucked.

I was totally new to the game in 2013, never played it before, and I got calibrated to around 3400.

Since then I've been as high as 3700 and as low as 2500 and I'm around 3300 again right now.
 

Sutekh

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"Well it's been a couple weeks and they fixed path finding, maybe I'll give it another try."

Random draft.

Jugg/Sniper.

Back to uninstalled.
 

Zaphid

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I have been screwing around with Winter Wyvern, she is pretty sweet as far as supports go. Freezing omnislashed targets is fun, Ulti is like a roar that punishes melee and her breath can hit a sniper in the face plus some pro jukes with the flight. Shame it doesn't give flying vision. The shards are nice for farming, but they are so slow that they are pretty random in any fight. If they were castable on allies, they would be much more useful, just chuck them at the axe that just jumped in and collect gold ... Right now the use is very awkward with the spell being a complete waste of mana more often than not. If it did at least some damage to the primary targets to cancel blink ...
 

Xeldar

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So I figured i'd poop sock and play some doto:dothard with a veangance today and I ended up going 0-7. Ahahahahaha
 

Northerner

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That Sumail kid is pretty good period.

I'm not sure how much of that is having ridiculous 15 year-old reflexes but hell, he actually makes pretty good decisions too for the most part. When he dominates he stomps as hard as any carry I've seen.
 

Genjiro

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Well thats my point, for being on a team like EG and not buckling when he has rough starts (same for the Asian championships). He started 1-3 in the game earlier when Arteezy and Kuro were standing in vs EG and he still ended up carrying that game and the game before it. That he doesnt get rattled at all it seems is what is most impressive, not his reflexes.
 

Tim

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This Sumail kid is really good for being 15 and new to the pro scene
The group I play with (including myself) are in our mid/late 20s to early 30s, but we also have a 15 year old.

He's terrible. Life just isn't fair.
 

Cyni

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So I'm getting back into the game , and my usual team I played with all seem to be gone. (Koush, Carino, Rethan, you guys all done with Dota?). Anyone else interested in playing games in the evening as a set team? Most likely looking for people in the 3500-4500 range, but i'm open to playing with whoever.

Cloud you interested?
 

Tim

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1281226122 was a recent match as Warlock. That one was a win but I went 2-4.

My Steam ID is HoneyBadger and I'm in the RR channel. I may check in to see if anyone can watch some gameplay and make some suggestions.
I decided to watch your recentOmniknight gamesince the Warlock replay isn't available anymore. I'm only a 3-3.5k player so I'm sure someone has better ideas than I do, but here goes:

- You started with 4 clarity potions and no regeneration. You needsomekind of health regeneration on virtually every hero to start a match, unless you're a something like a Chen/Enchantress/Enigma in the jungle, because they aren't typically taking damage. Yes, you'll be able to heal with the clarity potions but that's not very efficient, and you'll usually need to stay out of combat, and worse, potentially out of experience range, while waiting.

- You and the Tiny are in the wrong lane. You should be in the safe lane (Top for dire, bottom for Radiant) with the Windrunner in the offlane, possibly duo with Axe. Axe can jungle, but he's an extremely strong laning hero if played properly.

- At level 1, you skilled your heal before needing to do so. This isn'tthatbig of a deal, but the concept is that at level 1, you should only be skilling a skill if you need it, otherwise you can skill Repel for safety or Degen Aura if you're chasing someone down. I say this isn't a big deal because Omni's most useful skill at level 1ishis heal, but it's a good habit regardless of the hero you're playing. If you could have gotten a kill because you got a slow instead of a nuke on another hero, you'll have a great start to a game. People even at my range don't do this, though.

-Level 1 skills aren't very strong, typically.In that image, you used your heal on the Tiny after he recently used a Tango. He was half health, which probably encouraged your decision to heal him, but there was no realistic threat at that very moment. FWIW, Tango heals 115 and your heal did 90. Now you're already at half mana. The heal to mana cost ratio is horrible at 1. 90:100 (.9), 180:120 (1.5), 270:140 (1.9), 360:160 (2.25).

- 1:00Tiny decides to go for a kill on Slardar. You're all level 1, butyoudo mostly everything right. Your heal on Tiny damages the Slardar, but Tiny insists on eating the damage from 5 creeps while a wild Sniper appears to really ram it down his throat. For whatever reason Slardar skilled his Sprint first instead of his stun, which ended up getting him killed.Sniper is killed by a creep.It is now evident to me that you aren't lying about the MMR of this match. My only suggestion to you would be to body block the slardar as he was chasing Tiny.

- 2:00 You're either out of experience range in the lane or you're auto attacking creeps. Both should be avoided. Auto attacking just leads to your lane pushing further from your own tower, putting you in more danger. Google lane equilibrium for more information, but in short, if there's an equal number (and type) of creeps fighting each other in the lane, it won't push to one end or the other. Your goal in the early game should be to balance it, or preferably keep the meeting point of the creeps closer to your tower (but not close enough to be hit by the tower).

- 4:00 Nitpicking: You follow Tiny to the rune when it's not necessary. You should be staying in lane to maximize experience.

- 5:00 You have over 900 gold and you've bought nothing. You're also standing behind your tower with very little health. I'd recommend going home and buying something like a soul ring (great on healers and many other heroes). There's also a courier that needs upgraded and 2 wards in stock. There should absolutely never be two wards in stock, as the refresh timer on restocking it doesn't start until the maximum (2) aren't available.

- 6:00 Tiny has two deaths but should have died 3 or 4 times by now. He is overly aggressive, especially against a ranged hero. I'll give you that.

- 6:42You are WAY too far back, especially with an aggressive teammate.You are out of experience range there. If you are attempting to conceal your position, you should be hiding in the trees to the left or right of the action.

- 9:00Good first ward, bad second ward that led to your death.If you were looking to give protective vision to the left of your lane and sight of the rune,this is an excellent location for both Dire and Radiant.That was sort of a lose-lose situation for you, as you probably would have died if you went through their jungle as well, as it was warded. Never put yourself in a vulnerable position like that, especially against ranged heroes, just for a ward. Warding is incredibly important, but if you're dying to do it, you're defeating the purpose.

On last hitting creeps under a tower, the general rule of thumb is (if they're full health), hit the creep once while the tower is hitting it, then hit it again when it's low enough to die. It's usually 2 tower hits on ranged and 5 (6?) on melee. Eventually this just becomes instinctual. You'll only need to hit it one time once you get enough damage. I think the cut off is around 75 or 80 damage on your hero. There are lots of videos online about this and I recommend watching a few.

Also, stop auto attacking unless you're intentional pushing a lane.

- 12:00+ you appear to be using follow on other heroes. BM, bro.

You seem to be standing around a lot, behind towers, not really doing anything. As a support you can be stacking jungle camps for your carries (watch vids on that for timings), taking jungle camps yourself (soul ring is excellent for this),

You still don't have an upgraded courier at 20 minutes.

You took until level 11 to skill Repel, which pretty much only gives you one spell to cast with regularity. I'd highly recommend using the game's built in hero guide system (the book in the top left corner).

- 26:00Your ult hits, uh, you, and only you.This has happened to me plenty of times. Much of the game is learning the details of every skill and knowing the perfect positioning for it. I don't know how familiar you are with the game and its skills/heroes, but this is something that comes with time and experience. I highly recommendDotaCinema's video guideson each heroes' skills. Some of them are a bit out of date though, so just keep that in mind (for example, Omnidoeshave a Agh's Scepter bonus).

Oh, and always carry a teleport scroll. Always. They're cheaper than ever.

Edit: I forgot a big one. You weren't pressuring your opponent in lane whatsoever. This goes hand in hand with standing too far back. Much of the game the Slardar was sitting alone in lane, and you need to take advantage of that. Scare him off or get a kill. When the sniper was around you were sort of boned, as two melee against a ranged+1 can be hell. He's squishy though, and proper communication could have won the lane. As an omni you can't be afraid of getting hit. You have decent health and armor right off the bat.
 

Fight

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That was an impressive coaching session Tim. A lot of people pay for that type of in-depth advice and you even made gif's. Haha, well done sir.
 

Louis

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So I'm getting back into the game , and my usual team I played with all seem to be gone. (Koush, Carino, Rethan, you guys all done with Dota?). Anyone else interested in playing games in the evening as a set team? Most likely looking for people in the 3500-4500 range, but i'm open to playing with whoever.

Cloud you interested?
My group still plays nightly, if we ever have room I'll shoot you an invite. 3k-4.5k
 

Tim

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That was an impressive coaching session Tim. A lot of people pay for that type of in-depth advice and you even made gif's. Haha, well done sir.
I'm sure someone can add better information than I gave. If the people I played with knew I was giving advice, they'd laugh at me. To be fair though, they're assholes.
 

Genjiro

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I'm sure someone can add better information than I gave. If the people I played with knew I was giving advice, they'd laugh at me. To be fair though, they're assholes.
Still that was pretty cool of you. Newer people would actually like dota if there were more of that
 

BoozeCube

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Yeah awesome job taking the time to help fill in people. This is the type of shit that makes the boards fun and information to come to.
 

Pyros

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I'm sure someone can add better information than I gave. If the people I played with knew I was giving advice, they'd laugh at me. To be fair though, they're assholes.
I don't think you need to be a former TI competitor to actually provide valid advice to people around your level range, or even higher. Theorical knowledge and practical knowledge are 2 different things and you can know how to play near perfectly without being able to do so yourself, that wouldn't mean your theorical knowledge is useless because of that though. It's also a lot easier to watch a replay and give an accurate assessment of the situation and what should have been done. In fact you can even do that for yourself if you can be objective enough and it's a great way to progress, watching your past games and seeing what you could have done better rather than rely on your impressions when you were ingame which are probably influenced by the way the game was going.

I didn't watch but all the advices sounded like good general advice, it's a lot of small things but the difference between a high MMR player and a low MMR player is mostly a lot of small things. There are mechanical differences that take time to reach(like last hitting perfectly, stacking every cooldown, remembering to check runes every 2minutes and so on) but many things can be actually taught fairly easily as long as you keep remembering to do them like staying in xp range, keeping an eye on the minimap, carrying TPs and using them, warding, not overextending and such.
 

Koushirou

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So I'm getting back into the game , and my usual team I played with all seem to be gone. (Koush, Carino, Rethan, you guys all done with Dota?). Anyone else interested in playing games in the evening as a set team? Most likely looking for people in the 3500-4500 range, but i'm open to playing with whoever.

Cloud you interested?
I still play occasionally but just been busier of late, so I'm kind of scrub tier now from lack of practice. If you ever need a fifth feel free to poke me on steam though and I'll hop over and play if I'm free.
 

BrotherWu

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I decided to watch...
Hey, sorry I just now notice this. Thanks very much for spending the time to critique the match.

Yes, that game was pretty much a disaster. I think it was Tiny who was going Allahakbar on me that game. In support, I normally feel MUCH more comfortable playing Warlock or Crystal but hey specifically asked me to play Omni. I've played him some so I obliged. I think that may have been a Friday night and I had a few as well...

I'm going to take some time to digest your comments, but I'll say a couple of things.

- You and the Tiny are in the wrong lane.
- At this basement tear, I shit you not, half of the time someone says "I've got mid" or "Mid plz!" before we're even on the hero selection screen. Lane assignment is not usually addressed beyond that. I just try to pick the hero that I think I can support the best.


- At level 1, you skilled your heal before needing to do so.
- I've seen this in the pro games. Not usually a nuance that I think about but I will.


- Level 1 skills aren't very strong, typically. In that image, you used your heal on the Tiny after he recently used a Tango. He was half health, which probably encouraged your decision to heal him, but there was no realistic threat at that very moment.
- I admittedly do this with the Warlock too. My thinking is that I want to get them back to farming as soon as possible and it might even surprise our lane opponents that he is back in action so quickly.



- 5:00 You have over 900 gold and you've bought nothing. You're also standing behind your tower with very little health.
- I think Tiny had bailed or died again at that point and I may have been trying to discourage a tower push. But, yes, I usually try to make purchases well before that.


- - 6:42 You are WAY too far back, especially with an aggressive teammate. Y
- Point taken. In that case I was just trying to move out of LOS but close enough to surprise heal damage on the fight.

-- 9:00 Good first ward, bad second ward that led to your death.
- Yeah, my intention was to ward at the Y, giving vision down paths. You're right that warding closer to the edge would give give better vision.

-- 26:00 Your ult hits, uh, you, and only you. This has happened to me plenty of times.
- That is pretty embarrassing.

- I usually do make it a habit to carry a TP scroll, often 2. Not sure why I wasn't that game. A little out of my element on Omni.



+1, wish I could + more. Very good insights and I appreciate it. Sorry again for just now seeing your post.