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The real question is have you managed to alter your waistline back down to a size smaller than "Death by a massive stroke by 45"?
 

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It is hilarious how buttmad people get when you point out how they are hurting their children because of their religious beliefs. I love that we live in a world now where you can point that out to them and they cant do shit but retreat into platitudes.
I was raised Christian and I've turned out pretty well. Making your kids go to sunday school helps teach them good morals and values. They'll decide for themselves whether or not they believe in God around high school/college.
 

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I was raised Christian and I've turned out pretty well. Making your kids go to sunday school helps teach them good morals and values. They'll decide for themselves whether or not they believe in God around high school/college.
You masturbate to trap porn. You have failed both your parents and Jesus.
 

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I was raised Christian and I've turned out pretty well. Making your kids go to sunday school helps teach them good morals and values. They'll decide for themselves whether or not they believe in God around high school/college.
I was raised christian too.

You certainly don't need church to learn good morals or values. Certainly not if you spend that time discussing the Bible or reading it. Using it as a contrast to good morals might make it useful heh.


As for them deciding it for themselves, unfortunately at that point they have spent years being indoctrinated by their faith, so many are not really capable of making an independent decision at that point.
 

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I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school. I'm a terrible person, morally. Checkmate Christians.
 

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"Indoctrination to children is fine, they will be able to make up their own minds just fine when they are adults!"

What a dumb position. It is evident to anyone but idiots that if kids weren't introduced to their parents faith until they were adults, we would have way way less faith in religion. Of course, you wouldn't get rid of it. You would still have a a_skeleton_03 that got to adulthood and decided he needed a security blanket. But boy would there be less of it for sure.

"Give Us A Kid Till She's 7 and We'll Have Her For Life" isn't always true, but sadly it usually is. That is why religions fight so hard to get in that early indoctrination.
 

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Not indoctrinating your kids in your faith is an admission of lack of faith in itself. The narrative kind of falls apart if you don't indoctrinate your kids. I agree with you, but I can totally see the rationalization behind it. I just don't care enough to debate or discuss it much. I think we're slowly progressing as a society towards a more secular existence. That's good enough for me. I do, however, feel bad for people who were brought up in strict religious upbringings, only to be outcast when they shed their faith. I'm thankful that my mom was a casual Catholic(and pretty much atheist at this point, along with my 4 siblings).

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You don't need church to teach that stuff.
True, but church is one of the few places where your kids will find other kids demonstrating those same morals. It's important that kids hang around peers that can be positive influences on them.

You masturbate to trap porn. You have failed both your parents and Jesus.
I fail Jesus every day, and He forgives me every day, regardless of whether or not traps are involved.

I was raised christian too.

You certainly don't need church to learn good morals or values. Certainly not if you spend that time discussing the Bible or reading it. Using it as a contrast to good morals might make it useful heh.
There are many good lessons to be learned from the Bible if you don't take indicidual verses out of context.

As for them deciding it for themselves, unfortunately at that point they have spent years being indoctrinated by their faith, so many are not really capable of making an independent decision at that point.
I really don't agree with this. I think almost everyone who is born amd raised Christian experiences a serious crisis of faith somewhere in high school or college. 40%-50% of students abandon their faith at this time. We would all talk about our crises of faith in our high school groups, and I think just under half of us stopped believing by the time they graduated (though I pray they will one day find God again).
 

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True, but church is one of the few places where your kids will find other kids demonstrating those same morals. It's important that kids hang around peers that can be positive influences on them.
This is just good parenting. Be involved in your kids' lives and know who they are hanging out with. The worst kids I ever knew, were from Catholic school.
 

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Jesus never existed, he doesn't forgive you and if you need an invisible magic wizard to make you do good things, then you're a scum bag.
 

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This is just good parenting. Be involved in your kids' lives and know who they are hanging out with. The worst kids I ever knew, were from Catholic school.
You don't control who your kids hang out with when they go to school, period. You might control who they see after the bell rings, but when they're physically at school, you have no power. Many of the kids who I went to elementary school with were not very nice, and because I went to a church that was far away, none of my church friends went to my elementary school. Oftentimes the elementary school kids would pressure me to do bad things and without the reinforcement of the better behaved church kids, I would often find myself getting in trouble.
 

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There are many good lessons to be learned from the Bible if you don't take indicidual verses out of context.
We don't need to take anything in the Bible out of its context to realize its disgusting.

In what context is slavery acceptable behavior for human beings? God had a chance to get that right twice, once in DESERT FABLES 1 and again in DESERT FABLES 2 THE SEQUELING and fucked it up.

Jesus had the ability to teach us about everything from germ theory to advanced multivariate calculus, and instead he spent his time dishing out pithy deepities like "Hack off your hand and gouge out your eye if you look at a woman with lust". Please.

Krip, you're out of your element here, spewing stale platitudes every atheist has heard and debunked thousands of times over bro.

This is not your element.
 

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You don't control who your kids hang out with when they go to school, period. You might control who they see after the bell rings, but when they're physically at school, you have no power. Many of the kids who I went to elementary school with were not very nice, and because I went to a church that was far away, none of my church friends went to my elementary school. Oftentimes the elementary school kids would pressure me to do bad things and without the reinforcement of the better behaved church kids, I would often find myself getting in trouble.
You're assuming the kids at church are somehow more morally aligned than the kids at school. Church doesn't make someone a better person. There's great and shitty people both in and out of church.
 

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What you call a crisis of faith, we call "Growing up and realizing that Santa Claus isn't real".

Faith is just a euphemism for "Refusing to accept evidence contrary to my preconceived notions at the expense of all reason and defended against all reason".
 
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