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Lenardo

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saying you didn't tear up, definately means you did...

i'm a wreck at emotional scenes in movies and books...i admit it, my wife makes fun of me at movies because a sad scene WILL make me cry.


Parkour!!!
 

Rime

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Jim Butcher will be doing an 'Ask Me Anything' on the books subreddit on May 16, 1 PM EDT, if anyone wants to try and get any questions answered.
 

Hatorade

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saying you didn't tear up, definately means you did...

i'm a wreck at emotional scenes in movies and books...i admit it, my wife makes fun of me at movies because a sad scene WILL make me cry.


Parkour!!!
I was pulling a Dresden, He definitely does not jump back and squeal when he is surprised.

Just got past his first discussion with Murphy after his fight with Ace and Sith kicking ass, cursed outloud when neither of them started taking off clothes.
 

Hatorade

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While waiting for the new book I have been listening to the audio book versions, James Marsters(Narrator) really captures Dresden's wit and sarcasm. I am hooked again, going to try and meet him this Saturday.
 

Vlett

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Yea, I'm going crazy. Read 6 books since Saturday of not Dresdin urban fantasy and it's not working.
 

Azrayne

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Man, $12 for an eBook really sticks in my craw something fierce.
You think that's bad, it's $18.50 AUD. $10 is my absolute limit for ebooks that don't come with a complementary blowjob, but as Vlett said some dedicated soul has already leaked it, so problem solved I guess.

10% in and really enjoying it so far.
 

Vlett

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Oh, I didn't pay for it. Stayed up all night reading it though.

Harry is getting much smarter!
 

Azrayne

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Yeah I think I'm in for an all-nighter as well. Good thing I have nothing important on tomorrow.
 

Lenardo

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read it from ~12:30 until 4:30 then finished it up @work...instead of working...

awesome Awesome book

Harry Kissed Murphy...FINALLY, i mean KISSED HER (of course he is beat to hell and so is she but DAMN it is about time...


a JEWISH KNIGHT OF THE CROSS WITH A FUCKING LIGHTSABER ......Nicodemis gets his ass kicked..by BUTTERS!!..ok it was like 4 seconds but nico ran the fuck away when his sword got...sliced
 

Harshaw

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Lots of goodness in Skin Game. I'm glad they gave a certain someone a last hurrah.
 

Azrayne

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Overall, it was a pretty awesome Dresden novel. And yeah, fucking finally with Harry and Karen, was beginning to make me wonder if Butcher's relationships with women are even more fucked up than Robert Jordan's obviously were. Although isn't she like, 45 now? She's gonna be an old lady by the time the series ends, and it looks like any kids are out of the question. My guess is she plays stepmum to Maggie for a few books then goes out with a bang so Harry can either die heroically at the end of the series or end up with Elaine. Speaking of which, him finally reuniting with his daughter was awesome.

Michael getting one last chance to kick some ass was awesome, even though the whole ''grace'' thing made no sense. Archangels can give up all of their power and then they just turn into a regular human, in return they give that power to another person, but all it does is heal him? I know they tried to explain it away with the plane thing, but it just felt kinda dumb. Would have made more sense if it super-charged Michael, and maybe been even more badass.

Only complaint is that the whole setup was kinda forced, in terms of how far he stretched things to have kept Harry isolated for the interim from Cold Days and under-equipped for the book itself. He's the fucking Winter Knight, you're telling me he can't order some fairy minions to bring him the shit he needs to set up a proper lab and re-equip himself? And the ending felt a bit too neat with the whole ''Marcone was in on it the whole time'' thing - no matter how much credibility it gets him for knocking the Denarians down a peg, fact remains that the vault in which he was storing shit for Ferrovax and the Raiths etc. was breached, no way Lara or the Dragon or whoever else are gonna just shrug that off.

Also maybe I missed something, but why did it have to be Nicodemus' daughter who had to die to get through the final gate? Why couldn't he just drag along one of his cultist minions?

Also not sure how the artifacts he retrieved are supposed to be used as weapons. The dagger maybe (what is that supposed to be anyway? I don't remember any daggers playing a big role in the Jesus thing), but the crown of thorns, etc. don't seem like something Mab is gonna bust out to use against the Outsiders.
 

velk

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Michael getting one last chance to kick some ass was awesome, even though the whole ''grace'' thing made no sense. Archangels can give up all of their power and then they just turn into a regular human, in return they give that power to another person, but all it does is heal him? I know they tried to explain it away with the plane thing, but it just felt kinda dumb. Would have made more sense if it super-charged Michael, and maybe been even more badass.

Only complaint is that the whole setup was kinda forced, in terms of how far he stretched things to have kept Harry isolated for the interim from Cold Days and under-equipped for the book itself. He's the fucking Winter Knight, you're telling me he can't order some fairy minions to bring him the shit he needs to set up a proper lab and re-equip himself? And the ending felt a bit too neat with the whole ''Marcone was in on it the whole time'' thing - no matter how much credibility it gets him for knocking the Denarians down a peg, fact remains that the vault in which he was storing shit for Ferrovax and the Raiths etc. was breached, no way Lara or the Dragon or whoever else are gonna just shrug that off.

Also maybe I missed something, but why did it have to be Nicodemus' daughter who had to die to get through the final gate? Why couldn't he just drag along one of his cultist minions?

Also not sure how the artifacts he retrieved are supposed to be used as weapons. The dagger maybe (what is that supposed to be anyway? I don't remember any daggers playing a big role in the Jesus thing), but the crown of thorns, etc. don't seem like something Mab is gonna bust out to use against the Outsiders.
Michael did get the full power, but if he used it in a way that Uriel was forbidden to, it would cause Uriel to fall, hence the bit about not playing with the levers or buttons.

Does Harry *really* strike you as the kind of guy who orders faerie minions to do shit for him ? ;p In any case, he was isolated on the island and Mab was deliberately intercepting all his comms.

The sacrifice of blood had to be willing, Nick's minions didn't like him that much.
 

Arbitrary

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Just finished it.

I thought the first 3/4ths were fairly standard for the series. Enjoyable sure, but standard.

I was super, super happy with the entire last quarter and would put this entry in the upper half of of the series in terms of quality. It's not as crazy balls to the wall as Changes or Cold Days and it's not my favorite but it'sgood.
 

Azrayne

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Michael did get the full power, but if he used it in a way that Uriel was forbidden to, it would cause Uriel to fall, hence the bit about not playing with the levers or buttons.
Yeah that bit I guess I can buy (although it seems like a pretty massive dick move from god - isn't he supposed to be merciful?), but just generally speaking, the whole thing felt like he really had to force things to get Michael back in action temporarily. Which was awesome when it happened.

Does Harry *really* strike you as the kind of guy who orders faerie minions to do shit for him ? ;p
He had no issue with it in Cold Days.

In any case, he was isolated on the island and Mab was deliberately intercepting all his comms.
The messages to Molly were being intercepted, because Mab didn't want her to take care of his head, to push him into a corner. I get that, but I don't see why she'd have an issue with him putting a new lab together to regain his full range of power and utility. To the contrary, it seems that she'd get pissed off at him, in the same way she'd get pissed off at him if he spent that year sitting on the couch eating junk food and got really fat. It just struck me as a pretty weak and obvious plot device to keep Harry weaker than he would otherwise be, one that has no real explanation. He even specifically says somewhere in the book that if he wanted to get laid all he'd have to do is whistle and he'd have a bunch of sexy fairy chicks all over him. He can call up an orgy but not a new lab?

I mean he already under utilizes his tools and potions in an unrealistic manner (remember that belt buckle which saved his ass against the black court vampires in the porn set book*, the one which he never wears again? And potions basically disappeared after book 3, when they gave him a huge advantage earlier in the series at crucial moments - although I guess that could get a pass after Changes, since it was always Bob giving him the recipes). It's sloppy writing, is all I'm saying. Not a huge deal in the scheme of things, but just something that persistently bugs me when I read the books. I understand why Butcher does it, but surely there are better ways to prevent Harry from becoming too OP and removing the tension from fight scenes than having Harry unrealistically under utilize the thing that he constantly stresses as a wizard's primary advantage - preparedness.

The sacrifice of blood had to be willing,Nick's minions didn't like him that much.
Since when? You could argue that their sole purpose in lifeisto die for him (at least at that stage, before the final showdown which is implied to have instilled some doubt in them) and they do it all the time, they've always been described as devoted, brainwashed, fanatical by nature. I get that for dramatic reasons, his daughter was a great choice, but I think he could have come up with an airtight reason for it to be her without straining too hard.

Anyway, I'm being picky, I get that, on the whole it was a great book, felt like a return to pre-Ghost Story Dresden craziness, which Cold Days didn't quite manage for me. There seems to be a direct correlation between how much I enjoy a book and how much time I spend picking holes in it. Not sure what that says about me.

*Does anyone else have trouble remembering the different titles for all of the books? Changes onwards are all firm in my memory, as is Storm Front as the first one, all of the ones in between (with the exception of Summer Knight and Dead Beat for some reason) are jumbled up in my memory. Or maybe my memory just sucks, I dunno. In my head it goes:

Storm Front
Lots of Werewolves, Murphy is a huge bitch
Ghosts and Bianca gets torched and Susan gets half turned
Summer Knight
Denarians round 1, shroud of maybe turin
Porn Set, white court & thomas intro, boring climax
Dead Beat
fear eating faries at the convention, raid on Winter, Molly becomes his apprentice
Creepy serial killer vampires, crazy ghoul showdown at the white court cave
Denarians Round 2, crazy island showdown
Morgan is accused of being the traitor, Naagloshi, crazy Island showdown 2.0
Changes
Do Not Re-read
Cold Days
Skin game