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Khane

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So it's fun that you just skirt around the game only doing content that's "easy" or you're over-powered for? How is that a fun game?

This is an explanation of every open world RPG that ever existed. So that's not really a serious question.
 

Chris

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haha @Ritley I had a much more aggressive post written up before I edited it down. Some of that was I don't care how many git gud's I get, you'll not sway me! haha

And you make good points, why not just come back later? I don't know how, but I've been programmed to basically play games on rails. So the fact that I know that Tree Sentinel exists now means I can't just bypass him and move on. In my brain, I'm like if they didn't want me to beat this guy right here and right now, they wouldn't have put him right here. So as Khane so accurately points out, it sometimes takes a long time to win, but you will win. My problem is though that once I win I don't get that rush of endorphins and the awesome feeling of accomplishment. I'm just glad it's over and thankful the annoyance is over. So beating hard boss fights doesn't thrill me or something I enjoy at all.
Did you play Wow? It's a Fel Reaver.

That enemy is the tutorial for "sometimes you avoid and don't fight".
 
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Fogel

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Tree Sentinel is like Sand Giants in Oasis or Griffin in East Common Lands. It's something to make you go holy shit I can't wait to come back and give that guy a go.
 
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TJT

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haha @Ritley I had a much more aggressive post written up before I edited it down. Some of that was I don't care how many git gud's I get, you'll not sway me! haha

And you make good points, why not just come back later? I don't know how, but I've been programmed to basically play games on rails. So the fact that I know that Tree Sentinel exists now means I can't just bypass him and move on. In my brain, I'm like if they didn't want me to beat this guy right here and right now, they wouldn't have put him right here. So as Khane so accurately points out, it sometimes takes a long time to win, but you will win. My problem is though that once I win I don't get that rush of endorphins and the awesome feeling of accomplishment. I'm just glad it's over and thankful the annoyance is over. So beating hard boss fights doesn't thrill me or something I enjoy at all.
I thought the point of the Tree Sentinel was to show you the benefits of the horse.

I killed the tree sentinel at maybe level 12? Right after I got the horse and the dude was trivial. But yes if you fight him on foot he's a lot harder and requires a lot more git guddering . I am by no means amazing at this game.
 

spronk

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elden ring is definitely the most forgiving From game of all, and its super important to realize if you die a lot in an area there is probably a better way to do the fight. They give a LOT of options too. For the pro crowd you can do everything without summons and your own build and no help. For the normies crowd you can pick 2-3 weapons, max em out, pick 2-3 summons, max em out, and use them whille still coming close to dying every time. There is the added axis of you can just go off and do other shit and level beyond the current fight, and its far more rewarding (you will constantly be fed drops from new areas) to "do other shit" unlike previous games where you had to grind specific areas since you were gated behind a door/boss basically. And another axis is you can co-op everything and things tend to be easier with 2 people.

For the nooblets like me you can cheese the fuck out of almost everything, from skipping most mobs via horse and having super cheesy weps/summons/tactics that turn a fight from super hard to super easy. For example on tree sentinel you can get good with horse combat (most people), pro it up with hugging his ass and quick melee, or cheese the fuck out of him with range/building geometry:



The game really allows a LOT of ways to do stuff, way way way way more than DS/bloodborne. You have to get out of the mentality "this is my only weapon, i will do every fight the same way"
 

Nirgon

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I hope they put in a mode with the DS2 death mechanic along with solo invasions (without using tongue)
 

Khane

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This game is a coming of age kind of game. From a studio that was already mature
 
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yimmien

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My new night and flame build. Radahn and Morgott down. The beam feels like I am running around with some kind of alien tech just evaporating things. Like that old crappy movie laserblast.

 
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Yaamean

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Okay so Radahn still not down, think at 61ish I'm not good enough to take him down yet, though I'm also not using the great rune. Ill see of I can grind a few levels and try again, just not sure if Str or Vig is better to pump.

Also, sitting at 21 endurance so that could be an issue too, though with his rapid combos I don't think I'd notice much of a difference until like 5+ points. Oh well I'll figure it out, I'm frustrated but not giving up, only about 38 hours so far and I planned to get 100+ before I even started.
 

Rajaah

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Finally killed Melania after about 100 tries.
Died a million times on her phase 1 and when I "killed" her and she went to phase 2 it was such a fucking heartbreak lmao

I'm guessing if you have to start over, it's phase 1 again?

Code Vein had a few two-part bosses where if you lost to the second, you started at that phase. However I don't know if Souls really does that aside from like, Bed of Chaos.

I lost to phase 1 Melania so many times myself that I'm considering gimping the fight (using the River of Blood and the stagger effect on it) just to move on with the game with the weapon I want. Been building specifically around getting her katana so I just want it done with. I hate to gimp anything, but I gotta say this fight is super cheap so IDK. Gonna keep at it normally a while longer.
 

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I can't take the stress of another one of these massive towers. The tower of Liurnia was just too much. This game is giving me acrophobia. There had better not be any heights in Lyndel.
 
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Bruuce

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I'm guessing if you have to start over, it's phase 1 again?

Code Vein had a few two-part bosses where if you lost to the second, you started at that phase. However I don't know if Souls really does that aside from like, Bed of Chaos.

I lost to phase 1 Melania so many times myself that I'm considering gimping the fight (using the River of Blood and the stagger effect on it) just to move on with the game with the weapon I want. Been building specifically around getting her katana so I just want it done with. I hate to gimp anything, but I gotta say this fight is super cheap so IDK. Gonna keep at it normally a while longer.
If you havent figured it out already, yes you start over from phase 1. She is a bitch, I would you whatever means you have to kill her. Mimic really helped me this fight, sometimes wed get her pinned to the wall and stagger the shit out of her. For when she uses her waterfowl dance
Ive seen people switch to a large shield to block it most of it, or Ive had pretty good success rolling running away and rolling backward for the first burst of it, rolling towards her on the 2nd burst, then rolling away on last burst. Usually would only get hit 1-2 times. Ive read the Black Knife Tiche ashes is reall good vs her too but I think you gotta do Ranni questline for that
 

Crone

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That makes perfect sense. It's like the Fel Reaver, or Griffins / Sand Giants of EQ. You weren't supposed to be able to just blast on them from the beginning, but something you could come back to. It's not really fair that I'm critiquing the fight when I'm not at all used to the controls or combat.

And Kiroy Kiroy , I didn't waste a cent since I can recognize it's still a good game from a good studio I want to support, despite me not liking it at all.
 
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Rajaah

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In case anyone's wondering about when meteorite staff can finally be replaced... I wasted a bunch of mats on getting crystal staff to +5 (which is when it hits S-scaling) and even when looking at the upgrade to +6 it is still 9 points behind at 56 int. 224 vs. meteorite's 233. So as far as I can tell the only staff in the game worth putting any upgrades into at all is the Carian Regal Staff. Reason being, somber [7] does not appear to exist outside late-game zones even though [8] and [9] can be found much earlier, so realistically +6 is as high as you're going to get for a really long time -- long enough that you'll very likely have 60 int for the regal which you'll want to take to +9 immediately.

I didn't test Demi-Human, it's possible that it could be better since you can easily get normal weapons to +12, maybe even into the 16-18 range if you don't have anything else to spend normal smithing stones on at that point in the game. Not going to waste that many runes finding out when I'm only a few int away from using the regal.

I'm considering switching to a caster build soon now that I've got everything unlocked and a ton of spells to try out.

What's the best staff to use at this lategame point, Carian Regal? Not Meteorite? Is it worth upgrading Meteorite? I have Meteorite but not CR. Haven't upgraded any spell catalysts yet, but I could instantly max one out. Come to think of it, I'd need to have one for sorcery and one for faith stuff. I might have enough slabs to max both of those plus Melania's katana, think I have 3 of them, but I gotta choose wisely. Also have a regular slab to max out the Godskin twinblade. Left the River of Blood at +9.
 

Derpa

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God damn that Eye of Sauron tower was annoying.

Well I'm at the point with Liurnia of the Lakes that its just clean up time, I'm just searching for loot/bosses(mainly night ones)/areas I missed.

Killed like 21 bosses/npc invaders in the zone so far and have 2 more I have found and about to do.
 

Kaige

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I can't take the stress of another one of these massive towers. The tower of Liurnia was just too much. This game is giving me acrophobia. There had better not be any heights in Lyndel.

Did you do the tower in Caelid? lol