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tad10

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Rosie was the art director of EQ1.
Yeah that was funny when Bruman posted the no connection to the franchise bit. OTOH, I agree about the fat Ogres. There needs to be at least one cute but ugly races. Think Manatees, the Shrek franchise, Barfolomew from SpaceBalls. Etc.
 

tad10

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@Convo Last comment on EQN classes. My big issue is not the lack of the trinity (because that should emerge) but the lack of interdependence at the highest level. When everyone can cast SOW on themselves, something gets lost. The unique classes of EQN disappear. That's why I want EQ3. Everyone feels needed. With EQN when everyone is Tier 5, people become fungible.
 

Big Flex

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On the new roundtable discussion, I like how everyone is ignoring the fact that EQN ogres are not suppose to be retarded, and using the rationale that they are to restrict them from being Wizards right away. Good.
 

Dragoon_sl

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A question...for the guys trashing this game that you've never played. Do you have any hope left in life? The original one was magic in a bottle. Don't you want to root for Magic in a Bottle 2.0?

Some of you have become so cynical, that I wonder if you've lost your soul.

Yea, have you not been around for the past Decade???

The MMO producers have sucked everyones souls. Dumb question.
 

Pyksel

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A game company that chooses to use stylized graphics is doing so for several reasons. A lot of it has to do with intended longevity and expression. Couple that with making sure to keep to the left side of the Uncanny Valley realism curve and you've got a solution that is ripe for a game like this.
 

Randin

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Off their options, I'm like 50-50 on whether to go with lore-based restrictions, or allowing people to choose whatever classes, but with penalties.

Maybe do both, with races only being outright banned from a class if the combination makes no sense whatsoever, with penalties for those classes that simply aren't that common for that race.
 

etchazz

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@Convo Last comment on EQN classes. My big issue is not the lack of the trinity (because that should emerge) but the lack of interdependence at the highest level. When everyone can cast SOW on themselves, something gets lost. The unique classes of EQN disappear. That's why I want EQ3. Everyone feels needed. With EQN when everyone is Tier 5, people become fungible.
this is what scares me the most (and what i know will happen eventually). when everyone has been playing for a while (few months?), they will have several classes unlocked and tiered up. now, when you get together with your friends, instead of being identified as an awesome wizard, or warrior, or enchanter, or whatever it's just: player1: "hey, i played wizard last time, this time i want to be the warrior." player2: "nah, cause i played warrior last time and we did fine so i'll stay as the warrior and you can be the wizard again or the rogue or the cleric." player3: "he can't be the cleric, cause my friend that's coming with us wants to be the cleric, and i'm going to play the rogue tonight." player1: "fine, i'll play the wizard but if that sword drops i still get to roll on it because my warrior is still my main." player2: "no fucking way! i'm the warrior. you can't roll on tank loot." player3: "well, my friend that's coming also plays a warrior so he wants to roll on any tank loot too, and i've been working on my shadow knight so i need to be able to roll on that loot as well, as well as any rogue loot, or druid loot, since i have one of those too. oh, and any monk loot as well."
 

Lost Ranger_sl

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@Convo Last comment on EQN classes. My big issue is not the lack of the trinity (because that should emerge) but the lack of interdependence at the highest level. When everyone can cast SOW on themselves, something gets lost. The unique classes of EQN disappear. That's why I want EQ3. Everyone feels needed. With EQN when everyone is Tier 5, people become fungible.
A lot of this is going to depend on how easy it is to change your class setup. If it is something that you can do on the fly then I'd agree it is a mistake. Being able to go from warrior to wizard to rogue in 10 seconds is stupid. There will be no buffs or abilities in the game that are of any value if someone can just SoW themselves real quick with their druid sub class, and then swap it out after they get to their destination. This is the part I want the most information on. If you can currently change class setup like you change gear then I hope it is something that changes before launch. Changing your class setup shouldn't be like changing your socks.
 

Big Flex

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A lot of this is going to depend on how easy it is to change your class setup. If it is something that you can do on the fly then I'd agree it is a mistake. Being able to go from warrior to wizard to rogue in 10 seconds is stupid. There will be no buffs or abilities in the game that are of any value if someone can just SoW themselves real quick with their druid sub class, and then swap it out after they get to their destination. This is the part I want the most information on. If you can currently change class setup like you change gear then I hope it is something that changes before launch. Changing your class setup shouldn't be like changing your socks.
It'll be like fast traveling or waiting in skyrim, as long as you're not in active combat, you can instantly do it with a press of a button in your UI.
 

tad10

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Hahaha, are you serious? Wow. Why did she sound so clueless then in the world building panel?
I'm serious. She announced a couple of times (not in that panel) that she did EQ1. With respect to looking for other art - nothing wrong with that. I just assumed she googled up castle pictures or wtf for inspiration. Nothing wrong with that.

I'm not happy with the Troll/Ogre direction though.
 

slicedmass_sl

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I wouldn't care either way, an Ogre should have high str and maybe high int (since they are supposedly smart now) but low Dex/stamina/whatever and maybe they can be a rogue but their lack of dex will hurt them so much that its barely viable.
 

Nirgon

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Some of you have become so cynical, that I wonder if you've lost your soul.
Seeing "most EQ next players want cute and intelligent looking ogres and trolls" isn't helping.

Re: loot should be need before greed based on the class that was brought, between friends you can work things out "for my rogue" etc, but in a group of total strangers..
 

Rombo

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Yep, so like i said, everyone ends up with bard speed....

(side note, anyone talking about SoW for a speed buff clearly never played a bard going full speed with drum kit...that shit was baller.)
 

tad10

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It'll be like fast traveling or waiting in skyrim, as long as you're not in active combat, you can instantly do it with a press of a button in your UI.
I don't know about travel (by all accounts it is slow) but from the devs have said you can't change your base class mid-combat (good) but outside combat it is pretty quick (bad - for the reasons @Lost Ranger stated). They've also said there is some kind of loadout/inventory setup so presumably it's a very quick change from Warrior -> Druid -> Warrior.

I agree that the base class change should be more restricted then that. Camp for 5 minutes, go back to town. Etc.
 

supertouch_sl

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When did class and race penalties and benefits become radical ideas in the mmo community? Trolls had natural regeneration perks and it was awesome. Hybrid classes had experience penalties but they had a greater arsenal of abilities and looked cooler than your typical tank class. I just don't understand how features like that became condemned.
 

tad10

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Yep, so like i said, everyone ends up with bard speed....

(side note, anyone talking about SoW for a speed buff clearly never played a bard going full speed with drum kit...that shit was baller.)
No. Bard speed will probably be a weapon skill. So you'll have to stay as a bard. SoW on the other hand should be a character ability.

On the third hand, if switching classes drops buffs then it's all good.