EQ TLP 2024 Teek (Random loot) & Tormax (Traditional) #neckbeardnostalgia

DickTrickle said:

Is it just fun to push Vicious's shit in?

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yerm said:

Is everyone going to agree that luclin is whoever kills ahr first is the winner?

Or are we going to set really weird goalposts? If its other shit, can we at least agree to what winning is before luclin, and not move the goalposts to match what you happened to get after the fact?

This is a pretty solid expansion for actual racing. Single end point, definite ability to use skill to massively reduce time in vt, teamwork and funneling and splitting are useful... would be lame NOT to do the competing here.

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In Luclin, the winner is [whatever RI is successful at, TBD later after they accomplish whatever that something is].

First to clear VT? LOL, that's "legacy TLP" thinking according to that Aeth guy, the foremost authority on all things TLP. Unless of course RI gets server first AHR.

RI actually has a good shot at a first clear in Luclin, with a smaller roster and a lot less moving parts and logistics to have to deal with. However if they're going to keep playing like they did in Velious, they might run into some issues when they show up for OW mobs without bringing an actual raid comp. Who needs healers and tanks properly set up when you can just plink off of someone else's fight ad nauseum to attempt a KS while also dispelling your own DoTs for some reason.

DickTrickle said:

Year, that definitely makes sense. I was in GiG and definitely don't remember much shit talking except for a small handful and Qelyn definitely wouldn't allow griefing.

But yeah, that video is sad. I'm glad the trash is getting taken out. Even someone like Atabashi is a class above Vicious and his inner circle.

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Well, Qelyn is actually a good leader, and his folks are actually solid players.

On Teek a climate was created on one side where being arrogant dipshits was not only permitted, it was encouraged, and as a result we ended up with tons of arrogant dipshits. There are also a lot of good players on the RI side that we know from other servers and they're getting dragged down by association at this point.

Watched Aeth's video and have a few things to say.

-He acts like Faceless started the Lyunga Hoop Craze when that's yet another thing his guild was doing ad nauseum before Faceless simply responded in kind.

-He seems to think Faceless leveled up a ton of SKs during the bonus weekend. Actually no. Most of our SKs are actual mains, not powerleveled alts. A bunch of main SKs piloted by players with experience > a bunch of MQ2 box SKs, 10/10 times. The parses show this very clearly.

-He says there was toxic behavior on "both sides" and then cites a video of a Faceless SK training them in Fear. Which is comical because that train in Fear was an extremely rare occurrence of anyone from Faceless training RI in any sort of meaningful way, and the SK in question was not instructed to do this. He went and did it on his own and leadership wasn't thrilled with him for doing it. Compare that to RI doing about 99% of the training, dispelling, and general griefing - ordered by their leadership, no less - and one would need to be a total partisan hack to act like griefing is a "both sides" issue.

-He doesn't mention how RI's own guildleader got suspended for training because he wouldn't stop training drakes on Faceless EVERY time we did OW Yelinak. That's their guildleader, not some random SK who went rogue under no direction from Faceless leadership.

What Aeth doesn't get is that the more he and his ilk poke FF with propaganda, the more we actually care about showing up and depriving them of their loot. We don't actually need OW loot and never did, and were happy to just take out a few OW mobs and let other guilds have the rest until folks like Vicious and Aeth wouldn't shut up about "winning dps races" on things we weren't even at. Nearly every time Faceless shows up, RI loses. Period. Well, looking forward to facing off with their 100 ranger plinking grief squad in Luclin and also looking forward to what goalpost-moving ensues.


Lot of good points in the comments and Aeth's only real comeback is "glad you liked the video" faux smugness. The numbers speak for themselves? Yeah, they do, actually.

Aeth's final Velious count is as such:


This very selectively includes T1 OW mobs and nothing else. RI's number gets a big boost from all the unopposed fights they got to bag.

For a more accurate reading of how Velious went, here are the actual totals for fights where the two guilds were head-to-head, over the entire expansion:


Next the response would be "yeah but we got more loot and that's all that matters, all the fights you didn't show up at you lost by forfeit" or whatnot. Well, if LOOT is what matters, here are the total kills for the expansion overall:


With about 30% more regular raiders than RI (and thus a much higher loot-per-person ratio), Faceless wins on head-to-heads, Faceless wins on total loot, Faceless wins on total kills. Any more goalposts we want to move or metrics we want to cherry-pick?

Thanks Korillo for spending the time/effort to tally things up.

Cinge said:

I am saying this again, you guys are weird. Way too many fucks given for all this nonsense and drama.

Reminding me way too much of politics and all the propaganda talk and PR words.

Raajah over here writing dissertations on the Teek TLP raiding scene. I mean holy shit, its a video game.

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Thanks for the backup Cinge. You're welcome to not care about all this but you're here on this thread, and the various TLP guild conflicts are what get discussed in public forums like this. If the other guys put up a video with their side of the story, some of us are gonna talk about our side. And there were a whole bunch of bullet points to get into. If we say nothing, then we've got folks outside the bubble believing things that aren't accurate.

Sloan said:

The reason RI got shit on so hard in Velious is because they ran their mouth non-stop to the point that Faceless mustered up people to end them. I've legitimately never seen any guild get beat so badly head to head in EQ and keep throwing themselves at things. You would think that after losing 5 or 10 in a row the other guild will stop coming or atleast try to take a different approach, but RI lost something absurd like 50 out of 55 OW targets head to head with Faceless in September before they folded on OW. Towards the end they resorted to what looked like 1/3 of their raid force being boxed, and simply just gating out whenever Faceless showed up to a target - the only kills they got for 3 weeks were between 4am and 8am.

There are always bigger fish...maybe try to not lure them in.

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Pretty much how it went. Lot of throwing themselves at mobs and chain-dispelling in situations like Statue/Idol where it served no purpose besides making everything take longer (i.e. wasting more of their time before they went home empty-handed). I can't imagine spending my time sitting there dispelling someone else's mobs for a half hour, much less doing that and still losing the actual DPS race at the end. When losing still gets you DKP, I guess it works out? Hard to imagine doing that and having any self-respect left after a while though.

Cinge said:

I am saying this again, you guys are weird. Way too many fucks given for all this nonsense and drama.

Reminding me way too much of politics and all the propaganda talk and PR words.

Raajah over here writing dissertations on the Teek TLP raiding scene. I mean holy shit, its a video game.

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hey cinge, eat dirt. I'm here for the drama and nothing else.