Everquest Mysteries
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Chukzombi
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i thought i was hot shit when i got into PoP beta and was able to travel all the new zones with my GM powers. i scoured Plane of War thinking this was going to be our end game dungeon. i even met rallos zek. i told all my guildies how l33t i was.
zone was never implemented during PoP.
zone was never implemented during PoP.
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Big_w_powah
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Going to be doing a series of streams on leveling new characters in EQ on Brekt Server. No twinking outside of spell cash. Doing this with my sister.
running a test stream now; I'll let you guys know when we go live, I believe the first real stream will be this evening.
Going to be doing a series of streams on leveling new characters in EQ on Brekt Server. No twinking outside of spell cash. Doing this with my sister.
running a test stream now; I'll let you guys know when we go live, I believe the first real stream will be this evening.
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Big_w_powah
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Conefed
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One of the best moments of my entire career was receiving the Emblazoned Incarnadine Breastplate (Click Gather Shadows {invis}) while in Chardok, from I believe the Korokust. Wasn't even my guild. They were casual and only had paladins. I was xping in zone and was invited along. Even though it was tradable, they gave it to me.
Great times.
PS: name is from memory. It was shd war only and red.
Uber Uberest
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Ukerric
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The "in our world" is very important.
I mean, if you think about it, that's what you tell people. No one recounts his great moment of the quest line for the staff of whatever (that you replaced 3h later). Or even the awesome cutscene of the the Gates of Icecrown. I mean, you mention "that's awesome", but you don't have to tell anyone about it. Because everyone saw the same cut scene. There's no real shared experience here. What you tell others is when you're crossing the Karanas and you hear a squish sound that suddenly picks up and you make it to the zone with that Hill Giant breathing on your neck. Or you're in a dungeon and you've targeted the wrong aoe and half of the zone lands in your camp. Or the train at Karnor Castle entrance that had the entire rear of the castle, and you (and a bunch of people) derailed it and survived. Mostly.
What makes stories you tell people isn't the story that any designer wrote. It's the things that didn't happen according to the plan. And yours, since the quest designer's plan is always that you win. And if you fail, you look on wowhead's comments how you're supposed to win, and come back and do so.
Without the world part, there's no chance of things going off-script, and things going off-script, whether good or ending with your group splattered over the room, those are what make stories that you remember. And stories are the heart of a social experience.
I mean, if you think about it, that's what you tell people. No one recounts his great moment of the quest line for the staff of whatever (that you replaced 3h later). Or even the awesome cutscene of the the Gates of Icecrown. I mean, you mention "that's awesome", but you don't have to tell anyone about it. Because everyone saw the same cut scene. There's no real shared experience here. What you tell others is when you're crossing the Karanas and you hear a squish sound that suddenly picks up and you make it to the zone with that Hill Giant breathing on your neck. Or you're in a dungeon and you've targeted the wrong aoe and half of the zone lands in your camp. Or the train at Karnor Castle entrance that had the entire rear of the castle, and you (and a bunch of people) derailed it and survived. Mostly.
What makes stories you tell people isn't the story that any designer wrote. It's the things that didn't happen according to the plan. And yours, since the quest designer's plan is always that you win. And if you fail, you look on wowhead's comments how you're supposed to win, and come back and do so.
Without the world part, there's no chance of things going off-script, and things going off-script, whether good or ending with your group splattered over the room, those are what make stories that you remember. And stories are the heart of a social experience.
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Hadden
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Well said, Ukerric.
EverQuest worked because it established a set of rules (factions, spells/abilities, monsters, items, respawn times) and then let the players loose to do with it what they wanted.
In modern games every quest, item, ability, and encounter are doled out in a very controlled flow. There is little room for discovery or creativity; you simply follow the bread crumbs to max level and then raid for the best armor at the time.
I'd like to play a game that gives you a bunch of tools and monsters and releases you into the wild again. No hand-holding, no invisible walls, no checklists. It seems like all games that try this turn into shallow survival games with no real purpose.. hopefully that'll change.
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Ambiturner
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Outside of whatever you mean by "checklists", EQ had all the things you complain about and pretty much every other MMO has all the things you said made EQ work.
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Dandai
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My contention as to why it felt like a "world" and not a virtual world is the lack of navigational quality of life tools. I present the video below as my supporting evidence. I know he doesn't mention MMOs, but in the context of EQ vs pretty much all modern MMO designs, it's quite fitting.
The tl;dr is you had to pay attention to the world because there was no dotted line, no !s, no Quest Helper addon, etc. NPCs gave you a quest with a written description of the location where you'd find the next step to continue the quest. With games that have "dotted lines" to follow, you're not paying attention to the world; you're following the dotted line to your next objective.
The tl;dr is you had to pay attention to the world because there was no dotted line, no !s, no Quest Helper addon, etc. NPCs gave you a quest with a written description of the location where you'd find the next step to continue the quest. With games that have "dotted lines" to follow, you're not paying attention to the world; you're following the dotted line to your next objective.
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