Fallout 4

Zaide · Oct 26, 2015

Apparently enemies do not scale in to your level in FO4, so that seems like a huge improvement.

radditsu · Oct 26, 2015

hodj_sl said:
I just pick a path and deal with it.

I'm a decisive man.

A man of action.

I shot house in the face and I didnt even care. Fuck that guy!

Zaphid · Oct 26, 2015

I'm not going to be looking for a good story with interesting choices in a Bethesda game, Witcher 3 spoiled me too much. I might as well save myself the disappointment.

spronk · Oct 26, 2015

Quaid_sl said:
Bros convince me not to buy the hardcover strategy guide.

you aren't a real man unless you order the $130 ultimate strategy guide. IT COMES WITH NUKA CAPS, SON
The Bethesda Store - Fallout 4 Ultimate Vault Dweller's Survival Guide Bundle - Fallout - Brands

For those who aren't hoarding nuka caps for the apocalypse, amazon has the hardcover for just $24. comes with the map and lithographs
Fallout 4 Vault Dwellers Edition: Prima Official Game Guide (Prima Official Game Guides): David Hodgson, Nick von Esmarch: 9780744016314: Amazon.com: Books

hodj · Oct 26, 2015

I can't comprehend what in that package requires a 130 dollar price tag.

Bethesda is a shit.

Laura · Oct 26, 2015

Zaide_sl said:
Apparently enemies do not scale in to your level in FO4, so that seems like a huge improvement.

If what you say is true then that's indeed good news!
Source?

radditsu · Oct 26, 2015

hodj_sl said:
I can't comprehend what in that package requires a 130 dollar price tag.

Bethesda is a shit.

$110 for a Battlefront 3 season pass, and that is digital without the crap. I am sure there will be a $200+ verson soon.

hodj · Oct 26, 2015

radditsu_sl said:
$110 for a Battlefront 3 season pass, and that is digital without the crap. I am sure there will be a $200+ verson soon.

That's understandable as milking Star Wars fans is a time honored tradition.

spronk · Oct 26, 2015

You mean like this hot toys 1/6th scale toy figurine that will go on sale next year for $200

if you didn't drool a little you aren't a real padawan

hodj · Oct 26, 2015

spronk_sl said:
if you didn't drool a little you aren't a real padawan

That's okay, I'm much more of a Star Trek guy than a Star Wars guy, tbh.

I mean I don't actively dislike Star Wars, of course. The prequel trilogy is awful. Some of the now defunct non canonical expanded universe books were good. My favorite movie is Episode 5 (as is most people's I imagine), but in general, if I had to pick, I'd pick Star Trek over Star Wars.

Erronius · Oct 26, 2015

If mobs don't scale to the player, it's only a matter of time before people are complaining that the +XP perk trivialized the game (or something)

hodj · Oct 26, 2015

Forgive the source citation, as it is Polygon, but here's what Bethesda has said

Fallout 4 has no level cap, and you can keep exploring after the story ends | Polygon

In fact, Fallout 4 doesn't have a level cap at all, said Bethesda:

BethesdaGameStudios ? @BethesdaStudios
To our fans who've asked: Fallout 4 doesn't end when the main story is over and there is no level cap. You can keep playing and leveling.
1:17 PM - 6 Aug 2015
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This is a major departure from the previous Fallout games, all of which had level caps. And it means that the experience players earn from side quests and other activities that they do after completing the main quest line will be worthwhile.

Bethesda said previously that it's revising the way enemy difficulty is scaled upward along with the player's level, a change that likely goes hand-in-hand with the removal of a level cap.

"We call it rubberbanding; we'll have an area [where enemies scale from] level 5 to 10, and then this area will be level 30 and above," Fallout 4 game director Todd Howard told Game Informer at E3.

So there is still level scaling, but its by zones. This is a refinement of how level scaling has worked in previous games.

Tuco · Oct 26, 2015

Oblivion was the most egregious level-scaling system. Skyrim and FO3 were better but not far enough IMO.

If mobs hit a level cap pretty quickly and players don't hit a soft-level cap (Ex: where hitting level 42 requires as much experience as levelling from 1-41), intelligence could play a pretty strong role if it's a sizable scalar.

hodj · Oct 26, 2015

There are no more skill points though.

It does effect exp gains apparently (just looked that up didn't know it) so yeah I could see high intelligence being super useful if that's the case.

Erronius · Oct 26, 2015

I'm calling it now: FO4 is going to have hell levels.

Vorph · Oct 26, 2015

"Rubberbanding" sounds like what Amalur tried to do. Except in that game if you even approached the border of a new area it would lock in the level of all the mobs at the lowest possible. Hopefully Bethesda handles it better than that. At the very least the ranges should be small and not permanently lock based on the level you are the first time you wander in.

Tuco · Oct 26, 2015

Vorph_sl said:
"Rubberbanding" sounds like what Amalur tried to do. Except in that game if you even approached the border of a new area it would lock in the level of all the mobs at the lowest possible. Hopefully Bethesda handles it better than that. At the very least the ranges should be small and not permanently lock based on the level you are the first time you wander in.

lol I forgot about that. I have to imagine that they won't lock the levels to anything.

Regime · Oct 26, 2015

Ok bros a small group of us are going to be in Vegas for Halloween this weekend. I'm renting a car so we are hitting up The Tops ( Circus Circus ) for the Frightdome haunted houses, Fremont (Freeside) for the costume craziness and we are going to take the group out to Goodsprings for food and ghosts.

Pioneer Saloon - Goodsprings, NV - Welcome

Let me know if you want to hang.

Utnayan · Oct 26, 2015

Regime_sl said:
Ok bros a small group of us are going to be in Vegas for Halloween this weekend. I'm renting a car so we are hitting up The Tops ( Circus Circus ) for the Frightdome haunted houses, Fremont (Freeside) for the costume craziness and we are going to take the group out to Goodsprings for food and ghosts.

Pioneer Saloon - Goodsprings, NV - Welcome

Let me know if you want to hang.

I would go to this just to drink you under the table, but I'm leaving for the bahamas, St. Thomas and St. Maarten instead on a 7 day cruise this Sunday.

Amzin · Oct 26, 2015

Vorph_sl said:
"Rubberbanding" sounds like what Amalur tried to do. Except in that game if you even approached the border of a new area it would lock in the level of all the mobs at the lowest possible. Hopefully Bethesda handles it better than that. At the very least the ranges should be small and not permanently lock based on the level you are the first time you wander in.

Tuco_sl said:
lol I forgot about that. I have to imagine that they won't lock the levels to anything.

It sounds more like: Each area has a level range. It is hard-coded in the game, but dynamically scales within that range to you. So Cave 1 has a range of 5-10, Cave 2 is 10-15, etc. and it's just hard coded that way. That is very similar (but I would say better) than Skyrim/FO3

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