Gender and Race Equality

Ukerric

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Lots of people have tried to dismiss the pay gap, but the only times the pay gap disappear is when you're dealing with government "hardcoded" pay scales.

Every time someone is allowed to decide on pay, females end up with lower rates, all other things considered. Including when it's a woman who decides other women's payrates.
 

Titan_Atlas

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Lots of people have tried to dismiss the pay gap, but the only times the pay gap disappear is when you're dealing with government "hardcoded" pay scales.

Every time someone is allowed to decide on pay, females end up with lower rates, all other things considered. Including when it's a woman who decides other women's payrates.
Not that the sample size is huge but in my experience when I was in salaried positions. Employers like to lowball the offer out the gate to save money. Maybe, women just take the first salary offer. I know I had a job that I was expecting to make 50k at with sales projections but since predictions were high I was making like 42-44. When I gave notice they immediately offered to correct it to 50 and when I said no offered to bump it to 60. I never thought to ask or push, they just valued me and clearly could have compensated me that way the whole time.
 

Arbitrary

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Lots of people have tried to dismiss the pay gap, but the only times the pay gap disappear is when you're dealing with government "hardcoded" pay scales.

Every time someone is allowed to decide on pay, females end up with lower rates, all other things considered. Including when it's a woman who decides other women's payrates.
The pay gap does exist (for reals) but it primarily impacts two groups - 1. older women that are still carrying around some of the baggage of shitty pay from decades ago and 2. minority women. Your basic young white woman is exactly on par with her male equivalents. Older women getting screwed over is something that will fix itself over time. Minority women getting screwed over is going to be tougher to tackle.
 

Titan_Atlas

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Kind of a side point. Do you think the natural programming since childhood that a man must pay for things and provide might lead to men pushing for higher wages. Women get alot of freebies if they try, ladies night, free drinks, meals, college tuition if I am to believe the news lately. Women can use sexuality to lessen expenses where a man cannot. So maybe not as much drive to push for higher salaries when they trade on sexuality.
 

Lithose

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Lots of people have tried to dismiss the pay gap, but the only times the pay gap disappear is when you're dealing with government "hardcoded" pay scales.

Every time someone is allowed to decide on pay, females end up with lower rates,all other things considered. Including when it's a woman who decides other women's payrates.
All other things considered is the important part. Women tend to wind up with lower pay because they work less, opt for positions with more flexibility, spend longer in field ect. (A lot has to do with children.) So many studies have been done on this, really, an enormous amount of work--the pay gap does not exist due to sexism or discrimination. It's just a product of choices made between men and women (especially in education and time off and job choice)
 

fanaskin

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Lots of people have tried to dismiss the pay gap, but the only times the pay gap disappear is when you're dealing with government "hardcoded" pay scales.

Every time someone is allowed to decide on pay, females end up with lower rates, all other things considered. Including when it's a woman who decides other women's payrates.
Not from what i've seen, because woman like more things like flex time ect and take less wages for other benefits.

Also this
Mens overtime hours are keeping the gender pay gap alive - Quartz
 

Srathor

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The state of race inequality is truly horrendous, I mean I should get to the finnish line just as fast as someone who runs every day. Sure I have a heart issue and diabetes and am old and fat but I deserve to win a race now and again for fairness!
 

Furry

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The pay gap does exist (for reals) but it primarily impacts two groups - 1. older women that are still carrying around some of the baggage of shitty pay from decades ago and 2. minority women. Your basic young white woman is exactly on par with her male equivalents. Older women getting screwed over is something that will fix itself over time. Minority women getting screwed over is going to be tougher to tackle.
Make big claims, no evidence to back it up. There's a science thread where you'd fit right in.
 

Chukzombi

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so women work for 38% less than males? if thats true then why are there no all women corporations? they just gained a 38% profit! win win, right?
 

Sulrn

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Not that the sample size is huge but in my experience when I was in salaried positions. Employers like to lowball the offer out the gate to save money. Maybe, women just take the first salary offer. I know I had a job that I was expecting to make 50k at with sales projections but since predictions were high I was making like 42-44. When I gave notice they immediately offered to correct it to 50 and when I said no offered to bump it to 60. I never thought to ask or push, they just valued me and clearly could have compensated me that way the whole time.
I'm pretty sure I remember this being a thing 6-8 months ago after a recent study got published. Something along the lines of "major contributing factor for gender pay inequality comes from discrepancy in negotiation".

Anecdotally, this has been my experience as well. Met plenty of professionals that take the first offer on the table instead of being willing to talk it out or walk away and find a better deal - only men I've seen do it had families, but even then they continued to shop around afterwards where as the women would just complain about it outside business hours.
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Rezz

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Lots of people have tried to dismiss the pay gap, but the only times the pay gap disappear is when you're dealing with government "hardcoded" pay scales.

Every time someone is allowed to decide on pay, females end up with lower rates, all other things considered. Including when it's a woman who decides other women's payrates.
In most states, women can (and when applicable, do) file cases against their employers for gender discrimination if they are doing the -same- job as a male employee but being paid less without having mitigating factors. The gap does exist, but not for the reasons that the liberal media (to think, I used to joke about conservatives saying the same thing) likes to pretend it does. Sexism isn't the driving factor, nor is outright discrimination in the case of minorities. It generally comes down to very unequal distributions of men and women in certain fields, and the attendant pay that comes with working in those fields. In nursing across the board, there is a 9 : 1 ratio of female to male employees, and the attendant pay that comes with those positions. Likewise, auto mechanics have a 1 : 12 disparity of women to men. But those can and often do pay similar wages depending on tier.

The food industry has some of the lowest (7/10) paying jobs in the nation, and the majority of tipped positions are filled by women. When they discuss their average wage, they are not taking lots of fun stuff into effect. One: Nobody in any state is making 2.13 an hour working in the food industry. But every tipped position gets broken down to some estimated subset with that as the baseline. Two: the -vast- majority of tipped employees in every state are not reporting their full incomes, even when closely monitored. Which means that women are being estimated lower than they are naturally, and reporting less than they are actually, and that's a -lot- of women at the bottom end of the perceived spectrum.

There's a lot more going on in other industries, such as the disparity of women in specific fields like STEM or Teachers. Not to mention the other issues such as shift preference, work preference, etc. that stems from non-sexism/discrimination factors. The problem is that women are being taught (largely by some very misleading media) that even if they do the same work to the same level as men with all other factors being equal, they are going to make 77% as much. Which hasn't been true in at least 20 years, yet it is still a constant talking point for liberal media pundits, SJWs, and 3rd wave feminists.
 

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Lots of people have tried to dismiss the pay gap, but the only times the pay gap disappear is when you're dealing with government "hardcoded" pay scales.

Every time someone is allowed to decide on pay, females end up with lower rates, all other things considered. Including when it's a woman who decides other women's payrates.
I would like to see the proof of that in the Nursing field or any other area that is predominantly female.
 

fanaskin

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I have to find the porn where the guys filming it were asking belle knox questions when she was talking about equality of pay was one of her feminist positions. they told her porn is one of the fields woman get paid way more then men, her answer was "this is a capitalist country".
 

Kreugen

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According to backpages women are making like 300-500 roses an hour. I don't even make that in a week.