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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Cybsled
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I wouldn't completely hate that - Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis was a puzzle adventure
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Vorph
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Here's a hint:
Dude looks he's about three quarts of soymilk away from coming into work and telling everyone his name's Edwina now.
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Daidraco
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Mist
REEEEeyore
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tbf like 90% of weird nerds smell really fucking bad
was what made me quit D&D and MTG multiple times
this was long before teh gay infected those things
reavor
I'm With HER ♀
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TJT
Mr. Poopybutthole
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So game development is ten times shittier than programming for any other thing.
You can work in an industry known for underpaying you, working you to the bone, and also being full of fags who don't listen to you and instead force you to make their shitty vision. Or you can go work at any other company in any other industry and program boring old accounting software with much more chill and significantly more money.
My company has like two they them freaks and the rest are boring middle aged men with families who are generally no nonsense. We get a lot done lol.
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Siliconemelons
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Hateyou
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Let me tell you a little story about publicly traded corporations, record profits, etc.
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moonarchia
The Scientific Shitlord
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moonarchia
The Scientific Shitlord
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moonarchia
The Scientific Shitlord
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DickTrickle
Definitely NOT Furor Planedefiler
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You essentially answered your own question. People have a soft spot for games so they're willing to take less to work on one. It doesn't matter if they could pay if the developers are willing to take less to be a part of it.
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Hateyou
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Vorph
Silver Baronet of the Realm
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First you have a group of degenerates who fancy themselves as "creatives" and also have an agenda that they want to push. Games are a perfect fit for the ones into programming and design, and for the writers it's a lot less risky than trying to make it in Hollywood (especially considering they don't actually have any talent to begin with).
Second, said degenerates look and act like degenerates, which even in the current times of DEI, ESG, etc. is still a hard sell at most normal businesses. So their prospects are limited and game studios figured this was a win/win since they can pay them considerably less than a well-adjusted, sane person. At least until they release a Concord anyway.
And finally, in actual dollar amounts the salaries don't appear to be that low, it's just that game studios have all gravitated to the most expensive places to live in the country.
Gates and co. certainly wouldn't be looking to eradicate stupidity. Who else is going to live in the pods and eat the bugs like they want them to?
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TJT
Mr. Poopybutthole
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Game companies have enjoyed the ability to underpay developers for decades. Years ago I applied to EA for a programming role but not for games directly. It was a backend infrastructure engineering position.
I asked them for 10% more than I was getting paid at the time. Which was like $85k for a job that would move into mid-level engineer. Their recruitment told me directly that they wanted people who wanted to be there and that the position would start at 15% less than I was getting at a non-game studio big corporate job and that that was non-negotiable.
That's the story of how I never worked in games! These massive budgets aren't going to the developers I assure you. Because games are cool they can openly underpay their dev staff and employees just accept it. This is still true today.
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Penance
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Imagine trying to negotiate in good faith from this position against anyone with a modicum of self respect. The ONLY reason big corporations push DEI is because they know they can get away with this to victimization groups who are willing to sell themselves short because, well, they're a victim.
The only way you can negotiate like that is if you pay it somewhere else, massive PTO, stocks, equity etc. How am I supposed to work for somebody that doesn't respect me?
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