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Azeth_sl said:
Didn't really dig the fact that Arya had the blade knocked out of her hand so easily. I understand she's young, but that made Sirio's lessons seem pointless
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They don't show it so much in movies but all the training in the world doesn't make a 12 year old girl a match for a grown man in a fight. It's like an 8 year old with a black belt in tae kwon do. He's done plenty of practicing but some fat guy that's never been in a fight can still destroy him with one punch. There's really no making up for that much difference in size and strength. Even the best boxers don't really want to get in the ring with somebody that's got 25 lbs on them even if they are much less skillful as fighters.
 
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Something that popped into mind yesterday:

If baby Aegon was saved by Varys and spirited away to be raised by Jon Connington, what happened to Rhaenys? The story was that she was stabbed half-a-hundred times after hiding under a bed... but could Varys have found a peasant girl and mauled her body enough to pass for a very overstabbed Rhaenys?

Furthermore given that she 'looked like a Martel' could she in fact be Arianne Martel (a supposed POV character from the next book)?
 
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Maester Chuk_sl said:
robb was all but done. people were already turning on him. the red wedding happened because thanks to his mom's great advice he basically went there on his knees to beg reconcile with the freys. catelyn even married her brother off, fucking him over too. other than the treacherous act itself, the red wedding only affected the already waning northern rebellion and forever trashed the name of house frey. woopteedoo.
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I don't remember it that way, maybe I need to reread. I seem to remember that Robb was still rocking Tywin's ass on the battlefield up to that point.
 
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While I agree with Azeth and also the reasons mentioned- it still is dissapointing in a way, she could have atleast kept hold of it and been thrown away/down with the sword to show that "yeah 250lb fighter" dude flat out strikeing a 12 year old girl is still going to be overpowered.

Also I do not know how to take that guy, he calls her dangerous- but in a mocking....yet serious way... he also does a "pose" or "twirl" whatever with his sword/stance after he knocked the sword out-- again it was hard to tell if he is making fun of her, or showing her he has that style of training also. I have not read much so I do not know all the background on that group etc so him not just up and killing all three of them for shits and giggles shows he may indeed see something in her as did Tywin.

Also I am very much intirested in seeing what the Hound does... I mean he is kinda a free agent now and not really pro-lannister after the "fuck the king" scenario... nor with that can he go join his big bro slaying the randoms.
 
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chaos_sl said:
I don't remember it that way, maybe I need to reread. I seem to remember that Robb was still rocking Tywin's ass on the battlefield up to that point.
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He wasn't "all but done" I don't think, but his position wasn't as good as it had been. Yeah, he was wrecking Lannisters left and right in the field, but Winterfell had been sacked, the North was becoming less unified, Lannisters won the Battle of Blackwater, etc.

Let it be known I do not agree with Astrotard. The Red Wedding had a greater impact.
 
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Robb, iirc, never lost a battle himself but was increasingly confined to the Riverlands by the Lannisters and the Ironmen raiding the North - he basically couldn't even risk going to reclaim his own capital, which I believe was one of the reasons he went crawling back to Walder Frey.

The Red Wedding also resulted in the Tullys ceasing to exist as a major house and put the Boltons in charge of the North, the consequences of which are still unfolding.
 
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Yeah I thought that scene deserved more of a fight than just casually batting the sword out of her hand. There's cooler ways to disarm someone than doing something that really wouldn't work.
 
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xadion_sl said:
I have not read much so I do not know all the background on that group etc.
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Its a group of Brotherhood without Banners members. Back in season 1, Ned was tasked to hold court while Robert was Hunting, he picked Beric Dondarion to round up a group of men to hunt down The Mountain/conspirators after they pillaged a village near Riverrun IIRC (the old guy said that there were dead fish left around and Littlefinger said something about house Tully). Only guy they mention was Beric, but they reference the group in Season 2 and this past Sundays episode I believe

http://youtu.be/uF7jEehDjnUvideo of the above
 
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Maester Chuk_sl said:
tywin. the red wedding isnt as big or as important
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I think everyone else covered this pretty well but I'll add that when I read the red wedding my mind went something like this:

"blah blah, tradition, blah blah food, blah blah crossbow, blood, blah blah... wait-wait-wait what oh shit oh shit oh shit can't read fast enough!"

where as with Tywin it was,
"oh man what's going to happen to Tyrion, you know he's not going down... ah shit tyrion is loose, ah shit he's with Varys, soemthing is going down, oh shit he's next to the hand's room I know what's coming next!! wtf shae? who cares where is tywin, there he is what's going to hap... awww yeeeaahhh sweet justice"
 
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You are all crazy saying the RW wasn't as big a deal as Tywin.

If Robb had been able to ally again with the Freys, the North would have been in no danger of losing anytime soon. They could have marched up and easily got rid of the Ironborn. At that point he probably allies with Stannis and now the forces in Kings Landing have a serious problem. They surely don't want to try and fight a war in the north as winter is coming down.

On the other hand, Tywin dying has almost no immediate effect. Cersei and the Tyrell's take over. They are still in charge of King's Landing, their armies aren't in trouble, etc.
 
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You know how all these older folks can remember the exact time and place they were when they heard President Kennedy had been shot? Yeah, for me that's the Red Wedding. Shit blew my mind.
 
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geffe71_sl said:
Its a group of Brotherhood without Banners members. Back in season 1, Ned was tasked to hold court while Robert was Hunting, he picked Beric Dondarion to round up a group of men to hunt down The Mountain/conspirators after they pillaged a village near Riverrun IIRC (the old guy said that there were dead fish left around and Littlefinger said something about house Tully). Only guy they mention was Beric, but they reference the group in Season 2 and this past Sundays episode I believe

http://youtu.be/uF7jEehDjnUvideo of the above
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I suppose I should say, I wonder where their true loyalty lies now- I forgot thats where they where formed- I remeber their referance and stuff- as thats who they where trying to find in harrenhall killing prisoners with hot-pot rats etc. They where...in a way "stark" charged and created- 'by the crown' yet not obviously the crown would not support them...so I guess they are just a rouge group...what if any group do they...somewhat side with etc.
 
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khalid_sl said:
You are all crazy saying the RW wasn't as big a deal as Tywin.

If Robb had been able to ally again with the Freys, the North would have been in no danger of losing anytime soon. They could have marched up and easily got rid of the Ironborn. At that point he probably allies with Stannis and now the forces in Kings Landing have a serious problem. They surely don't want to try and fight a war in the north as winter is coming down.

On the other hand, Tywin dying has almost no immediate effect. Cersei and the Tyrell's take over. They are still in charge of King's Landing, their armies aren't in trouble, etc.
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Also remember that Robb had legitimized Jon and planned on giving him Winterfell, which I'm sure would of had far reaching effects going foward.
 
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xadion_sl said:
I suppose I should say, I wonder where their true loyalty lies now- I forgot thats where they where formed- I remeber their referance and stuff- as thats who they where trying to find in harrenhall killing prisoners with hot-pot rats etc. They where...in a way "stark" charged and created- 'by the crown' yet not obviously the crown would not support them...so I guess they are just a rouge group...what if any group do they...somewhat side with etc.
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At this point I think they are freedom fighter/mercenaries ala A-team that are pro-crown and pro-Stark to a degree but anti-Lannister if that makes any sense (crown being Robert Baratheon/peace). Their purpose was/is to hunt Lannister men (Gregor Clegane and his men) and exercise the Kings Justice (Robert Baratheon) wherever they went. Sandor being rounded up was just a coincidence.

Thoros was screwing with them, in the end all he wanted was to talk to them over a hot meal and let go. he wouldn't hurt innocent (lol) children
 
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Tywin's death probably lingers longer...like the realm will feel the repercussions far longer than it did when Robb Stark died.

The Lannisters are basically broken as a house, I dunno how you read it any other way. With no Kevan...are there any competent Lannisters left to rule? Jaime can't rule as a member of the Kingsguard and Tyrion has several nagging legal issues waiting for him should he ever return to Westeros. Mace Tyrell is an oaf, but Tarly isn't...I'm guessing Book 6 will be the gradual sweeping away of all of the Lannisters around Tommen with no hope for them unless a new regime takes over and looks kinder on Tyrion and/or Jaime breaks his vows again, which he almost certainly will not do. One of my own little predictions has always been Jaime willingly taking the black in the end, his "shit bucket" honor thing he's always saying to himself and all.
 
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Do the Baratheon Bastards have any royal claims if someone reveals the Lannister babies aren't actually Robert's?
 
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