GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

Lithose_sl said:

Sutk, you want to know why people give Tyrion a pass and think Dany is annoying? It's because of character development.

The main problem I have with Dany's story is she feels like she isshrinkingas a character. She is the Khaleesi that pushed down andmountedDrogo(Other women have probably tried that, and he probably snapped their necks),tamedhim, broke free from her brother and then walked into the flames andendured, literally, as test of fire. She grew from a little girl into a bad assin thefirstbook. How does this powerful, confident, awesome woman--who was able to be the equal of one of the most powerful, masculine, dominant men in the world, all the sudden start creaming her pants over some blue haired dude and crying because he spurned her?

This "weakness" of her character was already conquered. She IS the fuckingdragon, she does NOT swoon over men, she takes them, and they are lucky to get some. This is the Dany we came to know in the first 3 books. The Dany that kicks down doors, takes what's hers, kills her enemies and moves the fuck on. She does not look back because she's already been judged by fire, and now the world will burn and be born anew with her--those that are not strong enough willdie, this was a fact she accepted when she smothered the love of her life. Everything about her character showed she had grown into the hardened, visionary woman that accepted her destiny would be built on top offire and blood.

Then...BAM....All the sudden, we get to this town and we have a Dany that lacks confidence, second guesses her destiny, allows herself to be bullied by assholes, is worried about the weak shits that can't climb out of slavery even when their bonds are broken and is whining that she can't be in love with some guy that hastitty daggers--where the fuck did this character come from? She is shrinking,recedingfrom the awesomeness of her initial developments. As a reader, watching a great character essentially lose some of herself and back track previous developments is just very frustrating.

Tyrion, on the other hand, never conquered his want of love. In fact, we are regularly introduced to his low self esteem and neediness around women--it's a huge, very apparent flaw in the character that henevertriumphed over. When we see Tyrion being an idiot with Shae, we not only expect it, wesympathizewith it because we know the characters ghosts have made him this way. And we know it's all compounded by his inability to do anything but throw small barbs at his horrible family. He finallygrewwhen he killed his father and severed his connection with Jaime--that was him walking into his flames. THAT was his "blood of my blood" moment--now if Tyrion goes gaga over some girl after all that, he'd be guilty of the same kind of character shrinkage as Dany.

You don't go through that kind of character metamorphosis twice--and it seems like Martin is trying to force that with Dany. Turning her into a wishy-washy, sissified, version of herself so she can eventually be "reborn" again, and come out stronger. Hell, Martin was so obtuse with his intent that he painted the symbolism with her dragons--as Dany became weaker, her Dragons respected her less. It wasn't until she "walked into the fire" again, that Drogon respected her again and let her ride him. There is even a line in the books that says this, where she said if she shrank away, he would have killed her--because before that moment, Dany had lost what it was that made her the "blood of the Dragon"--she was just some weak, white haired bitch in Drogon's eyes. THAT was Dany's problem--she didn't "grow" to become strong enough to ride the Dragons, instead Martinweakenedher and then made her stronger again in some kind of "epiphany" moment where she remembered she had a serious set of ovaries--that's just shitty character development.

Though, granted, Chrisd's hatred is pretty much off the scale for what is essentially lazy writing. I happen to really enjoy Dany's character, I just think her last few chapters would have been better handled in flash backs or little stories told in other scenes--which I can say, to some degree, about all the characters. I think it's really showing how Martin never really intended to write these last two books.

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