GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

I think I just don't really care about Essos? My interest is what is going on in the wars and politics of the Seven Kingdoms, and I just have no interest to hear about or get involved in the stuff happening on the other side of the pond there and even to a certain degree beyond the Wall.

Yes, I know both are eventually important to the plot of the other along the way, but I'd be happy with second hand updates from Varys' spies or something throughout the show and more time (and budget) spent on the Seven Kingdoms.

Total personal preference I know, and again I realize on an intellectual, higher storytelling level that all the stuff will come full circle, etc. Watching the show though, I can't help but kind of feel my level of interest drop a bit when we switch scenes from King's Landing, or the Riverlands to fuckoff snowville or desertlandia wherever. I still watch, and do enjoy it, but not as much as the rest.

Zhaun_sl said:

I think I just don't really care about Essos? My interest is what is going on in the wars and politics of the Seven Kingdoms, and I just have no interest to hear about or get involved in the stuff happening on the other side of the pond there and even to a certain degree beyond the Wall.

Yes, I know both are eventually important to the plot of the other along the way, but I'd be happy with second hand updates from Varys' spies or something throughout the show and more time (and budget) spent on the Seven Kingdoms.

Total personal preference I know, and again I realize on an intellectual, higher storytelling level that all the stuff will come full circle, etc. Watching the show though, I can't help but kind of feel my level of interest drop a bit when we switch scenes from King's Landing, or the Riverlands to fuckoff snowville or desertlandia wherever. I still watch, and do enjoy it, but not as much as the rest.

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Interesting. I'm almost the exact opposite; I think the standard medieval setting of Westeros is boring as hell and I find the more exotic cultures and people in Essos a lot more intriguing to read about. I'm really looking forward to the rest of Dany's story in the show because I'm excited to see how Yunkai, Meereen, etc. and their peoples are portrayed visually.

BrutulTM_sl said:

So she's supposed to instantly be a great leader becauseshe got Drogo to let her be on top while they fucked? She made him fall in love with her (and fell in love with him at the same time) and maybe influenced some of his decisions but that doesn't mean she knows how to rule over people or lead an army. Hell Joffrey sucks balls at it and he grew up in King's landing. She had never even been around politics or warfare until she married Drogo.

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Where do you get this "instantly greater leader"? This woman formed apartnershipout of a gift (Which she was, just a gift), birthed dragons, survived a test of fire, was the first woman ever to inspire her own blood riders, lead her people through the desert and found them sanctuary, killed powerful Warlocks on their own ground, laid siege to and defeated some of the most powerful cities in the world--while controllingher own army, all while cultivating a loyal inner circle of men, whom she impressed to the point where most would be willing to die for her.

But yeah, we expect her to be a great leader because she sat on Drogo's cock (I mentioned Drogo above in relation to her actions around Daario). No...We expect her to be able to lead because she's been a great leader since she saved her people from the red waste. We expect her to be strong be she has been strong since she sat there and watched her brother's head get melted off--we expect her to be the Queen of Fire and Blood because she has been since she walked out of the fucking fire with Dragons clawing to her.

That's why we expect these things. And she did them all with NOTHING but her whits and determination--and yet now, as she sits in Meeren, with more power than she has ever had, she is all of the sudden indecisive, political impotent, naive and meek? Yeah,thatmakes sense. Overall her character diminished a great deal, and all of her problems have stemmed from this artificial, obtuse weakness--it's not even incompetence, it's just an inability to accept that "fire and blood" is literally her ruling motto.

But there was noinstantexpectation--we spent three books having our expectations built up. Don't give me this bullshit like she is a babe in the woods and it's unreasonable that we expect the character who: Burned someone alive, survived the death of her son and husband, coldly watched her only surviving brother (The man who begged and kept her alive for years) get his head melted off while pleading with her and her only response was disowning his weakness with "he wasn't a dragon", sacked multiple cities, burned warlocks alive, and many more things, to have some balls is unreasonable--it's not. It's not unreasonable at all.

BrutulTM_sl said:

Yeah, way too much angst.

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Na, my standards of strong women just haven't been defined by books about sparkly vampires.

Lithose_sl said:

Instead though, we got this whimpering little girl who let herself be bullied into a marriage, be scared of her own dragons, harassed by fags in animal masks (Working for her or otherwise) and let herself be troubled by the thought that some peoplewere too weak for freedom? Seriously? I couldn't have imagined Dany, the same character we saw in that ballsy, bad ass scene in Episode 4, let herself be bogged down by these "challenges"

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I just completely disagree with your take on this. Dany wasn't "bullied" into a marriage. She was being harassed by a guerrilla force and had to find a way to deal with them while the armies were outside her gates. She married someone after that person showed that they could stop the opposition to her rule. It isn't as if she couldn't depose her husband at any time if she wanted. No matter what Hizdar thought.

Also, you seem to see Dany's time in Meereen as an episode of constant failure up until she flew away on her dragon. This is the opposite of what happened. She bided her time, kept her people alive and her armies strong. If she had instead marched out immediately it is possible that they would have lost. Instead, its clear that a few weeks after flying away on her dragon the armies outside of her walls have rotted away. Meanwhile, her armies inside are even stronger than they are before, since her freedmen have been constantly training. Her dickering around essentially won her the war.

As for being scared of her dragons, she isn't so much scared of them as scared of how uncontrollable they are. Its been foreshadowed for awhile in the series that she has no real idea how to train them. Thats why ever since the dragons were born people have been wanting to see Tyrion unite with Dany to help give her advice on the subject. It would have been silly for these living WMDs to be easy to control.

Khalid has Dany-lust.

Zhaun_sl said:

Khalid has Dany-lust.

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She definitely is my favorite character of the series and probably the most in line with my own morality.

Slaythe_sl said:

Alright, word. And this is all after she and Tyrion get married too. I'm just curious why the show has Littlefinger all ready to leave.

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He left without her in the book too, he just stealthed back to pick her up, she wasn't expecting him to be on the boat Dontos took her to.

Hence one of his coolest lines - in response to why he'd kill Joffrey -

"Why should I wish him dead?" Littlefinger shrugged. "I had no motive. Besides, I am a thousand leagues away in the Vale. Always keep your foes confused."

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Yeah, it should be a huge WTF moment for tv fans when Sansa sneaks out and finds LF on a boat when everyone thinks he has been in the Vale for months. A lot of book fans are worried that LF has been "ruined" as a character because he seems to have too obvious plots in the tv show. If played right, the reveal after Sansa gets on the boat could be a huge shocker and a wakeup call to how smart LF really is.

All the women that act like Dany in real life have more facial hair than me.

I think the most important issue that people are forgetting to mention is the horrible lack of good nudity lately. At best we've been getting no-name whores in the background.

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