GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

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I seem to recall Tyrion being a brilliant military commander when he successfully defended King's Landing against hopeless odds long enough for the Lannister and Tyrell armies to show up and save the day. Maybe it only works when his back is up against a wall though.
 
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Well we got a whole bunch of repetitive rehashed dialogue about the North bending the knee so they obviously couldn't fit in the military council. Which is a shame because I'm sure Tyrion or anybody would have taken the chance to advise against burning the wagons full of food.
 
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Olebass said:
Not taking the time to realize that saying 1000 ships was a mistake when it could have been as effective using another term that sets up no expectation that can be proven to be impossible given the source of other materials and time frame accomplished is lazy posting. A person of self worth and desire to improve would look at that and state it could have been written better. A person who doesn't would defend it as perfect as otherwise it would instill doubt and everything becomes a routine of second guessing your own work.

I get it, writers train themselves to be confident in what they have done, otherwise they would self criticize themselves so much that nothing would ever get wrote.

Still, you asked for a example of lazy writing. So I present you an actual case.

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they could have avoided this whole thing by having Euron say, "gather all the remaining ships and with MY fleet we will buttfuck them and eat their toes for breakfast"
 
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Itlan is wrong about the Drogo dying from a cut. Dany let the witch tend to him and she basically poisoned his wound as revenge for Dothraki sacking her city/town. Cut itself was jack shit.
 
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Chukzombi said:
targs are notoriously incest ridden.
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Almost every great family in Westeros is riddled with consanguinity. I mean, Tywin and Joanna Lannister (Cersei & Jaime's parents) were cousins.

Which makes it funny because of the recurring theory that Tyrion is a Targaryen bastard, son of the Mad King himself and "proof is that he's a dwarf because consanguinity", and, well, Cersei and Jaime are more consanguinous than Tyrion in that case...

But yea, it's a lot closer and frequent among the Targaryen. Gotta keep that dragon blood pure, shall we?
 
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Amzin said:
Like literally, just cut the entire ballista bit out. It was cheesy action movie trope level nonsense. 2 more minutes of people getting run down by horses would have been better. Maybe have Jaime not just sit still in the middle of battle staring around blankly. Maybe have the other leaders be represented briefly as opposed to just vanishing. Maybe have some kind of, y'know, character development.
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1. The Ballista showed that the dragons can be hurt enough to bring them down. People here are STILL going off about OP dragons.

2. Jamie sitting in the middle of the battle while his men are literally melted by a Monster From Legend IS character development. His cocksure nonsense when he took Highgarden was taken down a peg. He might be a great military leader, but even the best general is going to balk at seeing a Giant Sky Lizard set your army on fire with a Targaryen Queen on it's back. I am sure General Amzin would have used all those years Training With The Blade to have felled the Beast and had the Maiden, right?

Gavinmad said:
I seem to recall Tyrion being a brilliant military commander when he successfully defended King's Landing against hopeless odds long enough for the Lannister and Tyrell armies to show up and save the day. Maybe it only works when his back is up against a wall though.
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You mean this?



Yeah...he is a regular Rhaegar. I notice no bitching about Tyrion taking out a couple trained soldiers...

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This is a good example where the writing should have been better. He's suddenly important but there's little to have investment about good or bad.
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Dude...

 
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Cad said:
Idiots are going to complain regardless, but I'd rather they saved the budget the spent on two seasons of filler on more battle scenes and cool shit for the seasons that mattered.
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I wish they would have spent that massive CGI/Battle budget on actually explaining why I should care about this random battle that just took place. - Cad in an Alternate Timeline

You're right, people WILL bitch regardless.
 
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Cad

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I wish they would have spent that massive CGI/Battle budget on actually explaining why I should care about this random battle that just took place. - Cad in an Alternate Timeline

You're right, people WILL bitch regardless.
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Your post would make sense if seasons 5 and 6 did anything to explain the battles that took place this season. Oh wait, they don't.
 
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Cad said:
Your post would make sense if seasons 5 and 6 did anything to explain the battles that took place this season. Oh wait, they don't.
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They sure did. Again, pay attention Cad. What was not explained about the Naval battles or the last one outside KL?
 
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Bitchin and bitches are the best qualities of humans. It is fully how you obtain 717 pages of posts about a tv show.
Without bitches and bitchin, this thread would be 3 pages tops.

Page one would be like:
Hey guys. Good show.
Aye. Good show.
Good show.
Yes. Good.
6 days no post.
Hey guys.
 
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Olebass said:
Bitchin and bitches are the best qualities of humans. It is fully how you obtain 717 pages of posts about a tv show.
Without bitches and bitchin, this thread would be 3 pages tops.
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Oh I know and I really don't hold malice or anything. If anything, it helps with my own writing so I can think about who I am marketing something toward and if it's nerds, that shit better be on point or so over the top it's trolling.

I'm really just defending the actual writing of the show because going by the scripts alone, it is some of the best written television I have ever read.
 
Amzin

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Screamfeeder said:
1. The Ballista showed that the dragons can be hurt enough to bring them down. People here are STILL going off about OP dragons.

2. Jamie sitting in the middle of the battle while his men are literally melted by a Monster From Legend IS character development. His cocksure nonsense when he took Highgarden was taken down a peg. He might be a great military leader, but even the best general is going to balk at seeing a Giant Sky Lizard set your army on fire with a Targaryen Queen on it's back. I am sure General Amzin would have used all those years Training With The Blade to have felled the Beast and had the Maiden, right?
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1. The ballista was only there because they already knew these dragons could be hurt by guys throwing spears at the biggest, meanest of the dragons previously. It didn't even make the dragon drop, it still hovered and burned the ballista right after being hit.

2. It's only character development if something develops from it. Jaime has had way more introspection, not-arrogant scenes previously. Like, good ones. I don't blame him for standing around taking stock of the clusterfuck of a "fight" they're in but then he just grabs a lance and charges at the dragon and dragon queen from way too far away to expect anything to then be pushed into the lake that is apparently 20 feet deep right at its edge by Bronn who continues to be ignored by the enemies surrounding them because of no doubt excellent writing. My problem wasn't with the standing-around bit but with the lack of anything else happening. People have already commented about Tarly just vanishing for the entire scene.
 
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I could spend 10 minutes on each one of your points and how you need to just pay better attention, but what would be the point. It's clear you have no idea what you are even watching going all the way back to season 1 if you think it was all epic battles.

People like you are the reason why Reality TV is a thing.
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Reading comprehension? Everything I named and take issue with has occurred past season 4. My entire point was the season 1-4 was engaging from start to finish, not just "here's a cool battle" followed by 50 minutes of dry, uninspired bullshit.

Holy shit you're dense.
 
Merrith

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Olebass said:
Bitchin and bitches are the best qualities of humans. It is fully how you obtain 717 pages of posts about a tv show.
Without bitches and bitchin, this thread would be 3 pages tops.

Page one would be like:
Hey guys. Good show.
Aye. Good show.
Good show.
Yes. Good.
6 days no post.
Hey guys.
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Aren't we forgetting all the predictions and guessing for what is going to happen, which characters will make it out alive, who has the best tits, etc, etc...etc.
 
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Amzin said:
Don't have that dumb literally pointless scene that was completely out of the realm of belief and accomplished nothing? Like literally, just cut the entire ballista bit out. It was cheesy action movie trope level nonsense. 2 more minutes of people getting run down by horses would have been better. Maybe have Jaime not just sit still in the middle of battle staring around blankly. Maybe have the other leaders be represented briefly as opposed to just vanishing. Maybe have some kind of, y'know, character development.
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the whole point of the ballista is to introduce a possible counter to the Dragons. If Dragons are nukes then the ballista is missile defence. There would be no drama or tension if the Dragons were an insta-win, showing the ballista in the crypt and being used during the battle is to make it seem like Dany won't just steam roll everything in her path.

No ballista and the loot train battle loses any tension.

Of course, now Dany knows about them and probably won't fly so slow and will target them first in any battle, if I had to guess then I don't think they'll pose any significant threat to the dragons moving forward. Unless Kings Landing uses the same builders that built the Greyjoy fleet and is literally surrounded by ballistae
 
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Amzin said:
1. The ballista was only there because they already knew these dragons could be hurt by guys throwing spears at the biggest, meanest of the dragons previously. It didn't even make the dragon drop, it still hovered and burned the ballista right after being hit.

2. It's only character development if something develops from it. Jaime has had way more introspection, not-arrogant scenes previously. Like, good ones. I don't blame him for standing around taking stock of the clusterfuck of a "fight" they're in but then he just grabs a lance and charges at the dragon and dragon queen from way too far away to expect anything to then be pushed into the lake that is apparently 20 feet deep right at its edge by Bronn who continues to be ignored by the enemies surrounding them because of no doubt excellent writing. My problem wasn't with the standing-around bit but with the lack of anything else happening. People have already commented about Tarly just vanishing for the entire scene.
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Correct. The charging made absolutely no sense, and the last minute Ray Lewis tackle by Bron even less so.

For the record, Meraxes was killed by one of these scorpion-like weapons, so they are effective.
 
Itlan

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Merrith said:
Itlan is wrong about the Drogo dying from a cut. Dany let the witch tend to him and she basically poisoned his wound as revenge for Dothraki sacking her city/town. Cut itself was jack shit.
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Fair enough. The point nevertheless is Arya should have died, either from infection or from bleeding out from the damage of that scene. Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned Drogo.

The entire setup simply was poor. From her mannerisms, to her complete lack of her surroundings, it was shit.
 
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Cad said:
It's contrived because the first thing you do when you have no information about your enemies isn't split up and send vulnerable units out alone. It's fucking find out information about your enemies, and maintain/deal from your position of strength.
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Tyrion is a lot better at politics and reading/judging people and situations, than he is at actual commanding/leading an army. He was very out of place in the battle of King's landing.

His strength is his words and people skill's, not his military/tactical knowledge. His burning of the invading fleet was masterful indeed, but it wasn't a very complicated tactical/military move. It was more of load a ship with explosives, blow up ship, pray for the best.
 
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