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GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings
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It's contrived because the first thing you do when you have no information about your enemies isn't split up and send vulnerable units out alone. It's fucking find out information about your enemies, and maintain/deal from your position of strength.
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I don't think anyone cares about the 1000 ships. I came across the article, thought it was a good point and posted it.
Scream is proud of what work he/she/it has been involved with and overall it is good work. Still some mistakes were made. The 1000 ships is just a point of argument of the many small mistakes made in 64 hours of scripting which is in itself pretty insane.
I would be pissed as well if people tore apart kitchens I built and said this screw is in the wrong place. I don't fault him for being agitated. I fault him for not wanting to do better.
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Maybe someone did. Maybe an assistant did or one of the Development Execs did or someone from the writers staff did. Who knows. Maybe someone just like you said exactly what they said and then someone like me said exactly what I said and DnD went "yeah, keep it in..nerds will bitch whatever" and then moved on to the next plot point.
You mean that is the first thing that YOU would do. You being the Master and Commander of the Army? Again...Tyrion and Dany are NOT Jamie and Tarly. Even Greyworm is at best a competent Company Commander but with Jorah gone, you have no one that has experience with mass warfare when you are NOT trying to kill everyone and I think that was the entire point of showing them fucking up like that.
You are interjecting your own "coulda, woulda, shoulda" into characters with no evidence that they ever displayed any of those characteristics before.
It would be MORE contrived if all of a sudden, Dany and Tyrion turned into Alexander The Great and Napoleon Bonaparte out of the blue.
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Oh it can ALWAYS be better. There are a ton of gripes I have with the show (mostly with clunky dialog) but I am not going to fault the writers when it could have been the actors that fudged it up, or it could have been the director.
I've read the scripts for all the released episodes and they are pretty solid.
As for the way it gets written....dude I could make a dozen 10k character posts on the process of getting a script from concept to release. There is a MASSIVE amount of work that goes into it with hundreds of eyes going over them.
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Fair enough. Another question then.
Which would you define as taking more effort as a writer:
Having source material in place for you and creating a script from that while maintaining the vision of the author or creating the world/events yourself then building that into a vision of events on a script?
Obviously one is more work than the other and the other allows freedom and imagination. So again the question is not which is more work, but harder.
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Depends on the source material. Also depends on the world you are creating from scratch.
TV drama set in a modern city about people like you and me can be just as complicated as creating an entire fantasy work from scratch around aliens and species or people unlike us at all.
I wish I could give you a better answer, but the best one I got is...it depends.
I helped develop a from-scratch science fiction/horror project that was written and shot in 8 months(that is INSANELY FAST) and is actually pretty good. Meanwhile I am STILL struggling with a spec script about a simple small town murder in middle America that is based on a true story with a TON of sourced material and in my opinion is garbage and not even close to being complete after almost 2 years of work.
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I find it funny you guys are trying to defend things like Jaime's complete emasculation throughout the last few seasons, Arya's horrendous storyline and stabbing sequence (let's remember Khal Drogo died from a simple cut, but Arya is swimming around in sewage with a massive open wound... ok), the Dorne plot in it's fucking entirety (including a completely retarded characterization of Ellaria and a complete waste of Prince Doran), Dany now just being immune to fire for some reason, Rickon being shot by Legolas in the Battle of the Bastards, the "heroic" end of the Blackfish, Stannis burning his fucking daughter and his pathetic death scene, Jon having literally zero development since coming back to life, etc. etc.
But I'm sure you all thoroughly enjoyed Tyrion making dad jokes with Missandei and Grey Worm, Jaime sounding like a fucking soap opera actor "HE TOOK OUR SON!", and you know, dat CGI.
For every "cool" battle scene, there's 50 minutes of wasted and lazy writing just to get to that one moment. That's not a great show, it's a great skit. It's lazy because you have characters acting OUT of character consistently, and plotholes all over the place. That's not how it was in seasons 1-4. But whatever, you guys enjoy dog shit, enjoy dog shit. I'll still be here explaining to you why that piece of dog shit is not prime rib.
But I'm sure you all thoroughly enjoyed Tyrion making dad jokes with Missandei and Grey Worm, Jaime sounding like a fucking soap opera actor "HE TOOK OUR SON!", and you know, dat CGI.
For every "cool" battle scene, there's 50 minutes of wasted and lazy writing just to get to that one moment. That's not a great show, it's a great skit. It's lazy because you have characters acting OUT of character consistently, and plotholes all over the place. That's not how it was in seasons 1-4. But whatever, you guys enjoy dog shit, enjoy dog shit. I'll still be here explaining to you why that piece of dog shit is not prime rib.
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One is fun and imaginary and you have freedom. The other is terrible, happened to actual people and sad. The fact you are stalling on it says you are not a terrible person and want to honor the victims properly. Maybe you are struggling in the sense of how a person was so twisted to have done it in the first place. Maybe you are terrible at small towns. I don't know. I know I wouldn't want to write that. Give me a spaceship and Flash Gordon anyday.
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I don't care about hyperbole in dialogue, personally. I think Euron's speech was reasonable as a dramatic speech. I do care that the latest episode was almost entirely pointless. The discovery of the paintings / carvings in the and dialogue dragon glass cave? Pointless. The dialogue leading up to that? Pointless. The battle scene itself? It was effectively a show of force which I'm sure will play out later but to me the whole fucking nonsense of destroying the supplies (instead of the troops) despite JUST FUCKING SAYING how badly you need supplies, along with the shitty siege-weapon-staying-intact amidst all the carnage and being completely ignored for 3 minutes despite being completely overrun was terrible AND it was ultimately meaningless because it accomplished nothing. So you have an entire shitty, over-dramatic-cheesy scene in the middle of a pretty decent battle scene that was literally meaningless. That isn't lazy writing, that's bad writing.
The entire episode you're left with basically nothing happening except Jaime maybe dead, maybe not, and the supply-ass-end of the Lannister army wrecked and that was all in the last 5 minutes of the episode.
Edit: The argument of Arya's wound vs. Drogo's wound is completely pointless. That's how wounds work in real life too... some people get infected from basically nothing, some don't from super dangerous behavior. Some people fight of infections no problem while others get fucking dead from simple shit.
The entire episode you're left with basically nothing happening except Jaime maybe dead, maybe not, and the supply-ass-end of the Lannister army wrecked and that was all in the last 5 minutes of the episode.
Edit: The argument of Arya's wound vs. Drogo's wound is completely pointless. That's how wounds work in real life too... some people get infected from basically nothing, some don't from super dangerous behavior. Some people fight of infections no problem while others get fucking dead from simple shit.
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I could spend 10 minutes on each one of your points and how you need to just pay better attention, but what would be the point. It's clear you have no idea what you are even watching going all the way back to season 1 if you think it was all epic battles.
People like you are the reason why Reality TV is a thing.
Maybe, the point is that at least from my perspective dealing almost totally with drama, you can never expect one kind to be easy and another kind to be hard.
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He's not, since the end of season 4 or so, there has been a lot of dead-end bullshit.
Season 4 should have ended, a 10 minute training montage showing Arya becoming faceless, the Dragons growing up and Jon coming to lead the Nights Watch, then Season 7 starts.
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This is a good example where the writing should have been better. He's suddenly important but there's little to have investment about good or bad.
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Hah!
So then all the nerds can come on here and go "OH SO NOW ARYA IS JUST TELEPORTED INTO A MAGIC ASSASIN? HOW LONG DID THESE DRAGONS TAKE TO GROW, LIKE A WEEK? FUCKING MAGIC TELEPORTING DRAGON GROWTH SYRUM? HOW THE FUCK IS JON IN CHARGE WTF TELEPORTING RANK UP BULLSHIT. OH SO WE ONLY GET ONE MORE SEASON OF THIS? SO MUCH SHIT NOT EXPLAINED TO ME!!!"
Yeah, that would have gone over GREAT.
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Idiots are going to complain regardless, but I'd rather they saved the budget the spent on two seasons of filler on more battle scenes and cool shit for the seasons that mattered.
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Don't have that dumb literally pointless scene that was completely out of the realm of belief and accomplished nothing? Like literally, just cut the entire ballista bit out. It was cheesy action movie trope level nonsense. 2 more minutes of people getting run down by horses would have been better. Maybe have Jaime not just sit still in the middle of battle staring around blankly. Maybe have the other leaders be represented briefly as opposed to just vanishing. Maybe have some kind of, y'know, character development.