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Which raises the question of whether Lyanna specifically was required to bear the child (perhaps he came across another prophecy? Or had one of the 'dragon dreams') or whether he just chose whoever he'd rather do it with, although the latter also seems out of character, given how much trouble he caused from choosing Lyanna specifically. Perhaps the child for some reason needed to be of Stark descent? Born of Stark ice and Targaryen fire?
I'm thinking it has to do with the Starks being Wargs--which seems to be an "Ice" ability (My theory is that the Others control the undead like a Warg controls animals). That one Targ bastard who is training Bran now, could be the connection...He had intimate knowledge of the Children of the Forest (Since he is an elevated Warg like Bran a "Green seer" or whatever), and he seems to know their magic, which also seems associated with The Others magic (Again, it's all about possession...Weather it be possessing Heart Trees to see their past/present, or possessing animals, or the dead--all magic of possession).

So if this Bloodraven learned that in order to control Dragons you needed someone with Ice Magic (Because whatever magic was being tapped in the Volcanos was now gone), and the only noble house with that kind of magic in their blood lines was the Starks--then that could be why he needed Lyana.
 

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Are you referring to the Lannisters? I think it's already too late for their entire house to be considered heroes, but I could see Jaimie or Tyrion becoming the prototypical "hero".
Nah, the targaryens aka Daenerys
 

McCheese

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Nah, the targaryens aka Daenerys
Did anyone really consider the Targaryens bad guys? I mean, we never really got to meet any of them outside of Viserys and Daenerys. In my mind, the first book had two "villains": the Lannisters, mainly Cersei and Jamie, and Viserys. I always considered Daenerys one of the good guys. She's basically a victim of shitty situations for the entire first book and much of the second.
 

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I guess I wasn't clear. The characters in the first books shit talk the Targaryens and portray them as terrible leaders etc, but in the end they might be the ruling class.
 

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It's been a while since i've read the books, but who's ruling Kings Landing right now? I thought Cersei, but she's locked up at the moment if i remember correctly and all the other contenders for the throne are either dead already or thousands of miles away.

This is a pretty weird situation actually, i want the next book already and find out what's going on.
 

chaos

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Cersei was acting as regent for Tommen but because of her trial I think Kevan was filling in while they sorted her shit out.
 

Chukzombi

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as of the end of ADWD
cersei is in the process of being sent back to casterly rock. i think she has to get zombie Mountain to win her case still. Kevan up until the a few pages before the end of the book was the acting regent because cersei was locked up. but now that hes been assassinated, its not clear who will be back to run things. cersei again or maybe tommen's wife to be?
 

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The whole point of Varys killing Kevan was to put Cersei back in charge because she is crazy and incompetant; driving everyone over to the Targaryeans before they even land.
Since that is literally the last chapter released excluding teasers there isn't really an answer to how it will pan out.

I'm going to guess she will be in charge long enough to send her assassins after Trystan Martell in the Kingswood. Myrcella can't get home via sea because Aurane Waters is pirating the stepstones (teaser chapter) and so she could be going by land disguised as a boy to avoid The Golden Company... oops. She has to kill at least one of her own children.
 

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So I spent most of season 2 yelling "Goddamnit Robb!" and throwing stuff at him on my screen. What a disappointment he is.

I couldn't decide if I liked Stannis or not. Him leading his men attacking King's Landing was awesome, but man, the whole thing with Melisandre just leaves me uneasy.

I liked Renly a lot, the poor bastard. The scene with him and his queen was terrifically uncomfortable.

Needless to say though, the whole show could have been Tyrion & Bronn and I would have watched.

Theon is a fucker.

Oh, and other than 30 seconds in the middle of season 1, do they not cover Dondarion and his Fire Priest guy at all? The Mountain's men were torturing people to find the mercenary company I think, isn't that him? They don't seem to explain much about it though.
 

chaos

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Yeah that was one of the things they didn't really have time to do. All you hear in book 2 is rumors of them anyway, I think. Or see their effects.
 

McCheese

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Oh, and other than 30 seconds in the middle of season 1, do they not cover Dondarion and his Fire Priest guy at all? The Mountain's men were torturing people to find the mercenary company I think, isn't that him? They don't seem to explain much about it though.
Yeah, he's featured for a few seconds in season 1 when Ned calls him up in the throne room and orders him to go arrest The Mountain. Beyond that I don't believe he is mentioned at all. A different actor is playing him in season 2, so I imagine there will be some exposition (probably from Little Finger in a whore house) to set up who Dondarion is and why he and his men are running around.
 

Chukzombi

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apparently the DVD for season 2 has extras with lore from the books.
this one is about the sack of KL

there is a lot more
 

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Just thinking about it now, but doesn't the idea that Rhaegar just decided to up and run with Lyanna because he wanted to hit that seems a little out of character? I mean this is the same dude who decided to live his whole life around being a knight because he read in some prophecy that he was supposed to be a warrior (remember, he was originally devoted to reading and music, he had no inherent love for fighting), the idea that he'd cast off his responsibility and throw the kingdom to hell just for some pussy seems a bit incongruent. And if he just wanted to bone Lyanna, he could have held a secret affair, instead of kidnapping her, which he would have had to know would result in their being chased down. But if he needed to make sure she conceived a son by him, and to be there to try have some control over the son's fate...

If we operate off the theory that Jon is his son via. Lyanna and that Jon is Prince that was Promised and/or Azor Ahai, then it seems more likely that Rhaegar found out that he/his first son Aegon weren't the one spoken of in the prophecy (as he originally believed), and since the Maesters had already told him that Elia couldn't bear more children, he decided that he had a duty to have another son, a duty which preceded his other duties to prophecy or to the kingdom.

Which raises the question of whether Lyanna specifically was required to bear the child (perhaps he came across another prophecy? Or had one of the 'dragon dreams') or whether he just chose whoever he'd rather do it with, although the latter also seems out of character, given how much trouble he caused from choosing Lyanna specifically. Perhaps the child for some reason needed to be of Stark descent? Born of Stark ice and Targaryen fire?

I dunno, I'm probably just repeating what others have pondered, but it just occured to me while reading the last page or so of the discussion here.

It also makes you wonder if the Maesters had any role to play in it. It's a bit of a stretch, but is it possible they manipulated him somehow, either with the content of the prophecy, or with Elia's health issues and inability to bear more children?
I don't think he just up and ran, my guess would be he found out he was about to be a father and she begged him to take her away to have the child or he knew the risk of giving birth to the child near Robert(He hates Targaryen's). I suspect he would have killed the child and that's why Lyanna asked for Ned to keep her secret.

I don't think this would have been much of an issue if Aery's wouldn't have started burning Starks left and right.
 

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Did anyone really consider the Targaryens bad guys? I mean, we never really got to meet any of them outside of Viserys and Daenerys. In my mind, the first book had two "villains": the Lannisters, mainly Cersei and Jamie, and Viserys. I always considered Daenerys one of the good guys. She's basically a victim of shitty situations for the entire first book and much of the second.
Seriously?

Aerys had them all executed without trial. Lord Rickard Stark was burned alive by wildfire as Brandon watched, strapped into a torture device that caused him to strangle himself in his struggles to save his father. His paranoia still unsatisfied, the king ordered Lord Jon Arryn to send him the heads of his two wards, Eddard Stark and Lyanna's fiance Robert Baratheon, both of whom he believed to be guilty of participating in the "conspiracy" on account of their ties with the Stark family
From here:http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Mad_King

Yeah, that guy is fucking evil.
 

McCheese

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Seriously?


From here:http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Mad_King

Yeah, that guy is fucking evil.
Yes, I'm aware that Aerys was a horrible person, but Tuco said "faction", referring to the entire Targaryen family. Outside of Aerys I wouldn't consider the other members we know about any worse than some of the Lannisters, Baratheons, or Starks we've heard about. I certainly never considered Dany (the only Targaryen left to rule) to be a bad person. Whiny, sure, but not malicious or crazy. In fact, I think she'd be a damn good ruler of Westeros.
 

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The previous Targ rulers are definitely presented as the "bad guys" at first. Just in the sense that they were who the "heroes" of the first book had to go against before.

We know now terms like bad guys and heroes are pretty much meaningless in this world, but stepping in to the books and reading about honorable hero Ned and company striking down the "evil" king does present a certain viewpoint early on. I do specify books though, the show doesn't really paint quite the same picture. Or maybe it just doesn't if you've read the books first.
 

Tuco

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The previous Targ rulers are definitely presented as the "bad guys" at first. Just in the sense that they were who the "heroes" of the first book had to go against before.

We know now terms like bad guys and heroes are pretty much meaningless in this world, but stepping in to the books and reading about honorable hero Ned and company striking down the "evil" king does present a certain viewpoint early on. I do specify books though, the show doesn't really paint quite the same picture. Or maybe it just doesn't if you've read the books first.
That's pretty much all I'm trying to say.