Siddar
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Sansa is the Forest Gump of Game of Thrones.
People can't help but hope for the best for her.
GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings
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People can't help but hope for the best for her.
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Trendy internet feminists love Sansa because she is just like them.
She is a spoiled little white northern princess, born in a tower, who thinks she is getting shit on by the world 'because patriarchy,' but is actually getting shit on because she's a useless dumbass.
She is a spoiled little white northern princess, born in a tower, who thinks she is getting shit on by the world 'because patriarchy,' but is actually getting shit on because she's a useless dumbass.
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Yup. I just want LSH to hang some fucking Freys. She doesn't have to end the war single-handedly for me to take pleasure in her character.
Chukzombi
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this, i was looking forward to reading posts from the non book readers in the "NO SPOILERS" thread, shitting their pants in disbelief that WTF Cat is alive? she is killing freys and she is a FUCKING ZOMBIE???? so many fun times have been squashed in favor of dany refunding goat herders money because drogon toasted a few of their flock.
Sterling
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For me im glad they dropped her since uncat is such a "jump the shark" moment, i think the show would of lost a ton of viewership and cred just to appease a handful of book purists.
iannis
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p much
This is Hunger Games of Ice and Fire. If you've noticed, that's kinda how GRRM writes. He's episodic in his thinking. A story doesn't have to GO anywhere if he can squeeze a few chapters out of it and have it be interesting enough to hold his attention.
And it's not that I disagree with him. He's not wrong, not wrong at all. A story doesn't have to go anywhere if it's interesting on its own merit. It's just that you can't use that as a primary structure for an entire set of novels. Because if you do that, none of your stories will be interesting on their own merit. He's too clever by half and needed a better editor.
Chukzombi
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damn, you guys got me watching GoT theory videos for the last few hours.
this one is pretty interesting.
apparently the "valonqar" that chokes the life out of cersei, doesnt directly mean her little brother, but "a little brother" and possibly the hound . which may mean we will see cleganebowl!
this one is pretty interesting.
apparently the "valonqar" that chokes the life out of cersei, doesnt directly mean her little brother, but "a little brother" and possibly the hound . which may mean we will see cleganebowl!
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These videos are all the same. take some minor tidbit that doesn't mean anything and could be interpreted one way or another, then reach for anything else that you can twist to make it support your theory.
Margaery, fine, but probably red herring. Dany? obvious, but yeah, probably won't get to westeros before Cersei's children and even herself becomes wormfood. So so far, decent explanation of the prophecy without making any stupid claims.
Then we come to Arianne, who is the most likely candidate, literally fulfilling all of the prophecy. And yet the video says she probably isn't, because she doesn't? WTF are you smoking?
Yeah Arianne will probably wed Aegon (we know this because she is a POV character, we know her, she is totally going to try and make an allegiance via marriage to Faegon, even if she is show evidence that he isn't Aegon. Arianne isn't in a position to kill Cersei's children? did she even read the fucking books? Literally that is HER GOAL. She already tried to crown myrcella, and she almost got her killed. All to cause a war between cersei's two children! She is literally the only character in a position to make that part of the prophecy come true.
Instead she then lists sansa stark? dafuq is she smoking? Then Jeyne Westerling? claiming that this is the biggest contention from the books? are you insane. grrm spelled it out in the most blunt method possible that she isn't pregnant. She is a character so minor, she was never even introduced! She was so forgettable he even forgot what she looked like! there is no contention here. Annnd then the rest of the video is nothing but tin foil hat stretching.
Margaery, fine, but probably red herring. Dany? obvious, but yeah, probably won't get to westeros before Cersei's children and even herself becomes wormfood. So so far, decent explanation of the prophecy without making any stupid claims.
Then we come to Arianne, who is the most likely candidate, literally fulfilling all of the prophecy. And yet the video says she probably isn't, because she doesn't? WTF are you smoking?
Yeah Arianne will probably wed Aegon (we know this because she is a POV character, we know her, she is totally going to try and make an allegiance via marriage to Faegon, even if she is show evidence that he isn't Aegon. Arianne isn't in a position to kill Cersei's children? did she even read the fucking books? Literally that is HER GOAL. She already tried to crown myrcella, and she almost got her killed. All to cause a war between cersei's two children! She is literally the only character in a position to make that part of the prophecy come true.
Instead she then lists sansa stark? dafuq is she smoking? Then Jeyne Westerling? claiming that this is the biggest contention from the books? are you insane. grrm spelled it out in the most blunt method possible that she isn't pregnant. She is a character so minor, she was never even introduced! She was so forgettable he even forgot what she looked like! there is no contention here. Annnd then the rest of the video is nothing but tin foil hat stretching.
Chukzombi
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lol, i didnt mean to rustle your jimmies, well ok maybe a little
i just thought its an interesting take, some of these are quite out there, i didnt even realize that there are people who believe that gendry is actually robert and cersei's biological son. because gendry's memory of his mother was her blond hair and was probably some servant girl and later jamie remembers cersei sneaking out to meet him in a servants girl disguise, oh that gendry is also a secret valyrian smith.
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I know i've brought this up before but my problem with these fan theory videos as it relates to the show is the false conclusions these people come to, and this goes for you too, astro. They have a fan theory, that's fine. speculation is part of the fun of reading a series. But when the show changes something, cuts someone, streamlines a story line they are all up in arms that the show is nowfanfic.No, your theory isfanfic. They never stop and consider that their theory is flawed, no it must be the show that is wrong.
I had an idea that Victarion was the 3rd head of the dragon. He has the horn after all, and I believe Dany and Jon are the other two heads of which there is amble evidence to support. Each of them has taken a specific wound which has been oddly detailed in the text, in the way they have burned their hands, in each case involving magic of some type. Jon fighting a wight, Dany shielding her face from drogon's breath, and Vic, shit his is still smoldering/on fire, from the ritual Moqorro did to kill the infection. So I thought maybe the smoldering hand/rhllor magic will enable him to wield the horn, making him the 3rd head by default. The other two who also burned their hands would also be able to wield the horn and use it to control their dragons. and bam, 3 dragon riders.
Crazy, I know, but it has just as much support from the text as any of these other crazy theories. It starts with a kernel of truth and then you add confirmation bias and you can find dozens of references to support your theory. Then the show cuts the entire ironborn subplot. gosh that sucks. Guess my theory is wrong. At no point did I consider the show to be wrong because it invalidated my theory. And even now with casting news that a pirate is making an appearance next season, it in no way "confirms" my theory to have been right all along or anything. My theory is even more wrong because they could of opted to have never included them and the show still would of gotten to the same conclusion the books are.
I'm guessing either the horn is important, or the ironborn allegiance is (since it's highly unlikely that dorne will ally with dany in either the show or the books). If it's the horn that is important to the story, then any old pirate would do. Valyria is part of the show unlike the books, with tyrion/jorah sailing through the doom, with the stone men being sent there, etc. It's perfectly reasonable for any old pirate to have sailed through their and found the horn, and deliver it to dany. Or maybe it's the iron born allegiance that is important to the show, for more than than just their ships. There's a lot of speculation that when dany does invade she will be seen as the bad guy, and nothing says badguy like sailing in at the helm of kraken raiding ships.
The 3rd (and most likely) option of course is that the pirate is one of the greyjoys (or an amalgamation of the two) and they never go to mereen, instead they are raiding the reach and that's part of the KL/tyrell story as well as potentially the old town plot. It seems like Sam's dad and old town is also being cast so this is far more likely. If it is a greyjoy that is being cast, it's important to note that it will probably be an amalgamation of both euron and vic. If he is named Euron then the daario=euron theorists will scream "fanfic" because as "we all know" Daario = euron so the show must be wrong! If he's named Vic then it'll be seen as absolute confirmation that Daario IS euron. Neither of those things is true. Daario=Euron is a crazy fan theory with just as many glaring holes as my theory above and with virtually no support for it.
I had an idea that Victarion was the 3rd head of the dragon. He has the horn after all, and I believe Dany and Jon are the other two heads of which there is amble evidence to support. Each of them has taken a specific wound which has been oddly detailed in the text, in the way they have burned their hands, in each case involving magic of some type. Jon fighting a wight, Dany shielding her face from drogon's breath, and Vic, shit his is still smoldering/on fire, from the ritual Moqorro did to kill the infection. So I thought maybe the smoldering hand/rhllor magic will enable him to wield the horn, making him the 3rd head by default. The other two who also burned their hands would also be able to wield the horn and use it to control their dragons. and bam, 3 dragon riders.
Crazy, I know, but it has just as much support from the text as any of these other crazy theories. It starts with a kernel of truth and then you add confirmation bias and you can find dozens of references to support your theory. Then the show cuts the entire ironborn subplot. gosh that sucks. Guess my theory is wrong. At no point did I consider the show to be wrong because it invalidated my theory. And even now with casting news that a pirate is making an appearance next season, it in no way "confirms" my theory to have been right all along or anything. My theory is even more wrong because they could of opted to have never included them and the show still would of gotten to the same conclusion the books are.
I'm guessing either the horn is important, or the ironborn allegiance is (since it's highly unlikely that dorne will ally with dany in either the show or the books). If it's the horn that is important to the story, then any old pirate would do. Valyria is part of the show unlike the books, with tyrion/jorah sailing through the doom, with the stone men being sent there, etc. It's perfectly reasonable for any old pirate to have sailed through their and found the horn, and deliver it to dany. Or maybe it's the iron born allegiance that is important to the show, for more than than just their ships. There's a lot of speculation that when dany does invade she will be seen as the bad guy, and nothing says badguy like sailing in at the helm of kraken raiding ships.
The 3rd (and most likely) option of course is that the pirate is one of the greyjoys (or an amalgamation of the two) and they never go to mereen, instead they are raiding the reach and that's part of the KL/tyrell story as well as potentially the old town plot. It seems like Sam's dad and old town is also being cast so this is far more likely. If it is a greyjoy that is being cast, it's important to note that it will probably be an amalgamation of both euron and vic. If he is named Euron then the daario=euron theorists will scream "fanfic" because as "we all know" Daario = euron so the show must be wrong! If he's named Vic then it'll be seen as absolute confirmation that Daario IS euron. Neither of those things is true. Daario=Euron is a crazy fan theory with just as many glaring holes as my theory above and with virtually no support for it.
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I wanted LSH because I thought the story arc had a chance of being awesome in the books. Clearly leaving her out means the storyline in the book wasn't important, much like killing off Selmy so early. I thought it would be a cool shock value added much like when Dany rose from the fire with 3 dragons - a "shit just got real" moment. I'm not too butthurt about it I guess, I just thought it could've been really interesting.
Sansa is a piece of shit and I've basically been waiting for her to die ever since she got Lady killed back in the first book.
Sansa is a piece of shit and I've basically been waiting for her to die ever since she got Lady killed back in the first book.
