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AladainAF
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20+ black people (including children) die almost every week in Chicago no one cares.
20+ white children die in elementary school in a single isolated event, and we throw away the second amendment.
I weep for our future, especially when words start killing people the same way guns do. Because words do, in fact kill, if you use them in the same context people like to say guns do. Coming next, throwing away the first amendment.
20+ white children die in elementary school in a single isolated event, and we throw away the second amendment.
I weep for our future, especially when words start killing people the same way guns do. Because words do, in fact kill, if you use them in the same context people like to say guns do. Coming next, throwing away the first amendment.
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AladainAF
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Sure seems like it. It takes a bunch of white people dying before anyone even discusses the issue in any capacity. 20+ black people are still dying every week in Chicago.
What page of the paper are these in, Araysar? Somewhere near the back of section C? It's sad. A human life is a human life, white black or otherwise. But apparently this isn't the case to our politicians, or most other people.
And yes, it is being thrown away. The SCOTUS already ruled that the second amendment protects an individual right to bear arms, and "shall not be infringed" is exactly what's happening right now.
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Actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.): "infringe a copyright".
Act so as tolimit or undermine(something); encroach on: "infringe on his privacy".
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I apologize if this was already mentioned. I gave up trying to read every post in this thread saying the same thing over and over. The Eastern Sports and Outdoor show is each year where I live and the local news the last week has been a buzz with stories of vendors boycotting the show. Bunch of small vendors at first then Cabela's pulled support followed by the NRA which seems to have killed the show entirely. This is one of the larger shows in the nation and I'm sure the company Reed is kicking themselves for trying to jump on the PC bandwagon and got their shit pushed in so quickly.
I apologize if this was already mentioned. I gave up trying to read every post in this thread saying the same thing over and over. The Eastern Sports and Outdoor show is each year where I live and the local news the last week has been a buzz with stories of vendors boycotting the show. Bunch of small vendors at first then Cabela's pulled support followed by the NRA which seems to have killed the show entirely. This is one of the larger shows in the nation and I'm sure the company Reed is kicking themselves for trying to jump on the PC bandwagon and got their shit pushed in so quickly.
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It isn't happening now, it won't be happening until some kind of legislation is passed, which it won't. That whole individual right thing comes with a lot of caveats that we already accept, so some people take that a bit further than you. Those people are in the majority right now, but public sentiment will turn. Even if it doesn't, rejoice for our Congress does not work. So it won't pass.
I agree with you that all violence is not treated equal, some crimes are especially horrifying to people. Killing kids is one of those. Life is life, sure, but killing some crackhead in a drug deal gone wrong is not the same as killing some kindergartener trying to hide under her bookbag. Sure life is life, but different people have different priorities. They value the lives and people who are more like them. Which, unfortunately, seems to follow along racial lines as well sometimes. I don't think it is that people in general don't care about black kids dying, they just don't hear about them.
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I dont think the paper even reports them, its like reporting on traffic accidents. The evening news might touch on a pair of multiple killings but they certainly dont report all of them. Unless they are white or somewhere other than the south or west side.
A buddy cop of mine who's been with the CPD for 8 years or so told me the last month over beers "i dont consider anything a mass shooting anymore unless there's at least a dozen bodies at the scene".
It's kinda weird, 5 miles south of me, the death rates are something you would see in Bogota or Rio. Up where I live, a 20 minute drive away from Murder Town, people walk around in complete safety more or less. You can walk around at 2 am and nothing will happen.
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I completely agree. Almost 90 school-aged children die every year in Chicago. No one cares about that either. And no, they don't care. It's not hard to know that 20+ people die in Chicago in a week, just like it's not hard to know 90 school children die a year in Chicago. It's that people CHOOSE not to know because they don't CARE.
A caveat to a law is different than an infringement. You will completely jump all over me if I say "You can't vote without showing a photo ID" because you believe I aminfringingon your right to vote. Instead I am merely adding a caveat to ensure you are voting legally. Swap this argument with guns, and this is where we're standing now. I believe what they are doing with guns is an infringement to individuals as you believe required photo voter IDs would be.
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I think you're wrong on this. I think people care about the Newtown kids because you couldn't turn on the news without seeing their faces and hearing their names. People would care about the Chicago kids if it was treated the same, but instead all of those deaths are transparent to them. I would bet you most people have no idea how bad Chicago really is.
It is what it is. You can't say I'm not "infringing" on your "right to bear arms" when the law clearly does that. Certain people are disqualified from owning weapons, certain weapons are disqualified from being sold, no one but the craziest of crazy is saying that mentally ill felons should be able to buy rocket launchers. You accept certain caveats, but not these. Which is understandable. But you're trying to frame it as if this is some stark line in the sand, when that is not the case. It is an attempt to expand existing "infringements". Which will not happen anyway.
But you know, it seems like every time I say "it will never happen" some moron Democrat goes on tv and does says something stupid. So maybe it will happen. But I still think it is very, very unlikely.
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The CPD keeps relentlessly pushing for gun control measures but they take their marching orders from Rahm Emanuel and tow that gun control line.
The reality is that CPD is about 15-20% understaffed due to budget issues, we got ~10,000 cops on the streets though the number for the city of our size needs to be 12,000
They came up with a "Minority Report" style system about 3 years ago that was derisively laughed at by everyone and dubbed the CBU (Crystal Ball Unit). It failed pretty badly but they havent dismantled it yet, i dont think. Instead they keep touting how awesome it is and how it can make up for 2,000 fewer cops on the south side.
If you want the real deal on whats going on in the crime capital of America, check out secondcitycop.blogspot.com. Its an anonymous blog written by a handful of active CPD cops. CPD has been trying to figure out who they are and shut them down for almost a decade but havent had any luck
The reality is that CPD is about 15-20% understaffed due to budget issues, we got ~10,000 cops on the streets though the number for the city of our size needs to be 12,000
They came up with a "Minority Report" style system about 3 years ago that was derisively laughed at by everyone and dubbed the CBU (Crystal Ball Unit). It failed pretty badly but they havent dismantled it yet, i dont think. Instead they keep touting how awesome it is and how it can make up for 2,000 fewer cops on the south side.
If you want the real deal on whats going on in the crime capital of America, check out secondcitycop.blogspot.com. Its an anonymous blog written by a handful of active CPD cops. CPD has been trying to figure out who they are and shut them down for almost a decade but havent had any luck
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Again, it is because people don't care. The media (News included), is all about ratings. There are no ratings about week after week 20+ blacks dead in Chicago. There are ratings about a missing white girl, or a school shooting especially if it involves whites. If reporting 52 times a year about 20+ dead blacks in Chicago this week generated ratings, they would report it. And, as sad as this is, if we had 20 elementary school kids dead in a shooting a week that too would be reported less and less because there is no shock. And eventually people become numb. Just like most people are on black on black crime. We're just numb to it.
It's like Austin. I lived here during the Yogurt shop murders. That fundamentally changed us from a town to a city.Even wikipedia has an article about that event. Anyone who lived in Austin during that time knows exactly what I'm talking about. If that happened today, it would get a 1-2 minute blurb on the news.
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If the news reported murders going on in high-murder rate parts of a city people would think, "Why would I care that high-murder rate parts of the city had N murders today?" and change the channel. The news over-reports murders that occur in safe locations to ostensibly safe people because their viewership is in safe locations and are ostensibly safe.
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if the smoldering bodies of four teenage white girls were found undressed, bound and gagged with their own clothes, shot in the head and then stacked on top of each other like cordwood in a burned out yogurt shop, i think it would get more than a 1-2 minute blurb, buddy
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I don't think that becoming acclimated to something as the norm means that people don't care. Soldiers die all the time, it isn't shocking, that doesn't mean I don't care or anyone doesn't care. People tune out violence at some point, that doesn't mean they don't care. And I think you're vastly oversimplifying the media influence in this particular area. I think people care about kids period, black or white. I think people have a hard time relating to something outside of their culture. Like, a white suburban family has trouble relating to gang violence or something. That doesn't mean they don't care or that it doesn't impact them, it is just different. Like reading about tribal violence in Africa, it is horrifying, but hard to relate to.
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Aladain, I somewhat agree with you. But I don't weep for thugs gang banging around shooting each other. If almost rather say good riddance. I don't care about the race.