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khalid

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Zodiac_sl said:
Like banning bayonet mounts?
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Banning bayonet mounts is pointless sure, but at least its something you can ban. Confiscating kitchen knives though, and being proud of it, is so ridiculous to me I have trouble not believing its a parody. All they do is just walk into a kitchen and buy another, or sharpen a spoon against a stone wall. Its just so silly.
 
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khalid_sl said:
Banning bayonet mounts is pointless sure, but at least its something you can ban. Confiscating kitchen knives though, and being proud of it, is so ridiculous to me I have trouble not believing its a parody. All they do is just walk into a kitchen and buy another, or sharpen a spoon against a stone wall. Its just so silly.
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They're just further down the rabbit hole than the American pussy liberals are. If taking everyone's kitchen knives could possibly save a couple lives; it's justified in their minds.
 
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splorge_sl said:
I said a ban = lowergundeaths. This is factually correct. It is also stated several times in this thread that with current data you cannot factually prove the effect of a ban on overall deaths. So if you believe a lack of a ban lowers murders, then you are factually incorrect.
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You do realize the amount of firearms in public possession has increased every year(especially in the past 5 years) while murders and crime have decreased every year, right?
 
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Does it bother anyone else that China is telling us to disarm? we should do the exact opposite.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...ns-Be-Disarmed

The official Chinese government news agency, Xinhua, has demanded the US immediately adopt stricter gun control measures to reduce the number of firearms the US populace is permitted to possess.
 
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splorge_sl said:
I said a ban = lowergundeaths. This is factually correct.
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You're maneuvering now, show me the statistics. You should have plenty of examples of successful gun bans used here in the US.

splorge_sl said:
I t is also stated several times in this thread that with current data you cannot factually prove the effect of a ban on overall deaths. So if you believe a lack of a ban lowers murders, then you are factually incorrect.
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You're suggesting my beliefs now?
 
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splorge_sl said:
lol what? You bring up the point that banning guns doesn't make you safer, I respond by saying that keeping guns doesn't make you safer (to illustrate that its a debate), and you see this as cause to dismiss gun legislation? right, good logic there.
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You said its impossible to conclude either way. Since you conceded that you can't prove a gun ban would make citizens safer, I dropped the debate since any rational arguments you had in favor of a gun ban just went to shit.

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And its bullshit to suggest that there is a one to one ratio of substitute murders when a gun murder is reduced, in an environment where overall murders and crime are declining year on year. Good luck proving that. If you are going to accuse me of using stats to state my case, don't then respond with conjecture you are making up as you go.
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I never stated a one to one ratio. So I'm going to ignore your strawman.
 
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The fact that you cannot prove the future effect of legislation does not mean debates on said legislation are invalid. If you expect signed and sealed proof of the future effect of every piece of legislation that is brought into effect, then you are an idiot. Your statement can easily be flipped to "since you conceded that you can't prove keeping guns would make citizens safer, i dropped the debate since any rational arguments you had in favor of keeping guns just went to shit".

Big Derg_sl said:
I never stated a one to one ratio. So I'm going to ignore your strawman.
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Yes, you did suggest it right here:

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You've done nothing to stem the violence,you've only dropped the homicide by firearm tally while simultaneously increasing homicide by knives, explosives and blunt weapons.
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khalid

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"Given this, the latest increase in self-reported gun ownership could reflect a change in Americans' comfort with publicly stating that they have a gun as much as it reflects a real uptick in gun ownership."

I think it is very hard to get accurate information on this due to privacy concerns. What we DO know is that the amount of guns total and the amount of military-style "assault" rifles has been on the rise for awhile and yet gun homicides continue to go down.
 
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Most interesting point about Araysar's poll to me is 40% of democrats report having a gun in the household.
 
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All this right here is why I am beyond pissed off at Obama for even entertaining this shit.
 
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Big Derg_sl said:
show me the statistics. You should have plenty of examples of successful gun bans used here in the US.
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Effective gun control programs have not been adopted in the U.S. due to lack of political support, but they have in Australia.

Thisstudydone in australia demonstrates that following the 1996 australian gun control laws, firearm homicide rate fell by 59%, and firearm suicide rate fell by 65%,without a parallel rise in non firearm homicides or suicides. It also shows that areas with faster and more aggressive buyback programs saw quicker declines in gun related deaths than those areas with slower buyback programs.

This provides strong circumstantial evidence for australia's gun law effectiveness.
 
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Thorne_sl said:
Yeah just wait til some asshole does this again and the media gets ahold of it. The "horrific and devastating" .223 round carries less than 1/3 of the energy of most tradition deer/elk cartridges. The dreaded "sniper rifles" will be the next target.
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I've been wanting to buy a pretty nice rifle for long range accuracy. I'm kind of looking at Remington 700.
 
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