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Agraza

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they were due to guns were they? inanimate objects killed these people.
The amount of people they could mortally wound is because of the effective tool they employed in their crime. Fatality rates with other tools are much lower.
 

Gavinmad

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The amount of people they could mortally wound is because of the effective tool they employed in their crime. Fatality rates with other tools are much lower.
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And yet almost every single knee-jerk reactionary anti-gun law that surfaces in the wake of a shooting is targeted at 'assault weapons' and not handguns.
 

chaos

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Because they know they can't win that fight. They thought they could win the assault weapons one.
 

fanaskin

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If you used your credit or debit card it's stored somewhere bro.
yeah and? there's a lot of face to face gun deals, I know plenty of people who inherent them or pay cash, even with prism they wouldn't know everything.



They don't go after handguns because that would require actual work and be really hard, it's easier just to abuse law abiding people to score political points.

and to underscore both points

"data from a national survey of inmates indicated that nearly 80 percent of those who had used a handgun in a crime had acquired it through a transaction with an individual who was not a licensed gun dealer."

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...ert-verbruggen
 

BrutulTM

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They may have thought that before, but now that everyone knows that everything about you is stored somewhere, is that really an argument that can be defended in any sensible way?
Circular argument. If they already have all the information, then there's no need for a national registry, or it in fact already exists. Obviously if people want to create one, then they don't have the information already.
 

BrutulTM

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If you used your credit or debit card it's stored somewhere bro.
Knowing you bought it isn't the same as knowing you have it. You could have sold it to someone at a gun show, through a classified ad, or just in a person to person transaction, perhaps without even knowing the name of the person you sold it to, and that is what a lot of people will claim when/if somebody comes to collect their gun.
 

Numbers_sl

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Well, obviously there are gaps. I guess I don't understand the no gun registry argument on a basic philosophical level given the way society of the future appears to be heading.
 

fanaskin

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Why do you hate people numbers, you make every argument to dis empower people.
 

khalid

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I don't see how tracking weapons infringes on anyone's freedom, but I'm not really invested in the debate generally.
The issue is that in order for any gun confiscation to be feasible, there has to be some sort of weapons tracking. In other countries, citizens were told that they were doing registrations for various reasons and not to worry, their guns would never be taken away. Then, in the wake of some mass shooting, these registrations were then used to help confiscate guns.

You may think that is paranoid but given that gun registration wouldn't do much if anything to stop or limit gun violence, I consider it more than enough reason for me to be against it.
 

Duppin_sl

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Yeah, the last couple of pages went pretty much as I expected.

There is a reasonable middle on this issue, but that doesn't fit the pro-gunner narrative. EVERYONE who isn't squarely on their side is a gun-grabbing Communist.
 

fanaskin

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The actual gun grabbing communists probably did more to antagonize the situation than you give credit.
 

Duppin_sl

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Not nearly as much as the NRA, which is squarely in the pockets of the gun manufacturing industry.

I can't even have a rational conversation and discuss reasonable measures that might help limit potential harm, because the NRA has framed the conversation into a strict "you're with us or against us" to ensure that there isn't the tiniest slowdown in gun sales.
 

chaos

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The issue is that in order for any gun confiscation to be feasible, there has to be some sort of weapons tracking. In other countries, citizens were told that they were doing registrations for various reasons and not to worry, their guns would never be taken away. Then, in the wake of some mass shooting, these registrations were then used to help confiscate guns.

You may think that is paranoid but given that gun registration wouldn't do much if anything to stop or limit gun violence, I consider it more than enough reason for me to be against it.
What countries?
 

tad10

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When people say stupid shit like this it is just impossible to take them seriously. Yeah, sure, civil war.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ocks-nsa-prism

In the same year, a report by the US Army's Strategic Studies Institute warned that a series of domestic crises could provoke large-scale civil unrest. The path to "disruptive domestic shock" could include traditional threats such as deployment of WMDs, alongside "catastrophic natural and human disasters" or "pervasive public health emergencies" coinciding with "unforeseen economic collapse." Such crises could lead to "loss of functioning political and legal order" leading to "purposeful domestic resistance or insurgency...


"DoD might be forced by circumstances to put its broad resources at the disposal of civil authorities to contain and reverse violent threats to domestic tranquility. Under the most extreme circumstances, this might include use of military force against hostile groups inside the United States. Further, DoD would be, by necessity, an essential enabling hub for the continuity of political authority in a multi-state or nationwide civil conflict or disturbance."