Gun control

You're positive about that tad10? That if one of the male members had a gun and not the female that everything would have gone alright? Don't statistics show that homes that have guns are 4.5 times more likely to have a gun homicide or suicide occur than those without?

That link above was a crazy person who should not have been allowed to own a gun. It's not a problem with gun ownership, it's a problem with gun regulation.

The more people try to push out right bans, the less actual meaningful policy will get passed because the NRA will be able to defeat bans in court. There should definitely be some sort of licensing / renewal process to weed out the reckless / unstable.

Big Phoenix_sl said:

Let alone the fact that every other western country is still just as violent.

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Sebudai_sl said:

Just threw this together so there's some actual context and numbers for us to argue about.

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Huh?

Sebudai_sl said:

Huh?

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Those statistics include suicides and police shootings.

This is essentially death rate by gun, not crime rate.

Magic Numbers_sl said:

You're positive about that tad10? That if one of the male members had a gun and not the female that everything would have gone alright? Don't statistics show that homes that have guns are 4.5 times more likely to have a gun homicide or suicide occur than those without?

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1. The male neighbors were killed first and at a different site.
2. Sure buddy, please keep using a flawed study to make your point, if it makes you feel better.

Flunklesnarkin_sl said:

Those statistics include suicides and police shootings.

This is essentially death rate by gun, not crime rate.

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No they don't. It's gun homicide rate, not gun death rate. I specifically filtered out suicides.

Sebudai_sl said:

No they don't. It's gun homicide rate, not gun death rate. I specifically filtered out suicides.

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You know what they call police shootings right? Justified homicide.

aychamo_aycono_sl said:

Starting with Azaryne.

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Looking at some of the charts people are posting, I think part of the problem is that the US is an entirely unique example. There are no other first world countries with their degree of either social problems or gun ownership, so any real comparison is impossible.

Flunklesnarkin_sl said:

You know what they call police shootings right? Justified homicide.

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Moving on from the fact that you were wrong about those stats including suicides, how is this relevant? Police homicides are still "violence." The assertion was that other Western countries are just as violent as we are, and the stats I posted show otherwise. Look at the general homicide rates per country. Only one country on the list has even half our homicide rate.

Sebudai_sl said:

Moving on from the fact that you were wrong about those stats including suicides, how is this relevant? Police homicides are still "violence." The assertion was that other Western countries are just as violent as we are, and the stats I posted show otherwise. Look at the general homicide rates per country. Only one country on the list has even half our homicide rate.

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So what point are you trying to make then? Is it that guns should be banned to lessen violence? That would be unrealistic and retarded to even suggest we ban guns for police and citizens. Drug cartels and others will just import guns and rule the streets.

If you are trying to suggest that we only ban guns for citizens, then you should provide statistics that only account for gun violence by non-police / non-federal agents.

I'm pointing out that your statistics are flawed for the assertions that you are trying to make.

It's still fucking apples to oranges with you stupid fucks. Do hundreds of violent street gangs and organized crime groups from every goddamn major country in the world operate in little bitty England? Is MS13 butting heads with the zetas and gulf cartel and the black gangs that moved here from Orleans after katrina like they do in Houston? And Australia is a fucking island in the middle of nowhere, noone gives a fuck about Australia, I'm sure your crime rate is non-existent.

Flunklesnarkin_sl said:

So what point are you trying to make then? Is it that guns should be banned to lessen violence? That would be unrealistic and retarded to even suggest we ban guns for police and citizens. Drug cartels and others will just import guns and rule the streets.

If you are trying to suggest that we only ban guns for citizens, then you should provide statistics that only account for gun violence by non-police / non-federal agents.

I'm pointing out that your statistics are flawed for the assertions that you are trying to make.

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As was made evident by the post I quoted in my initial reply, the point I was making was that other Western countries are not "just as violent" as the US. I don't know why you're reading so much into this. Dude said other Western countries were just as violent as we are, and they're not. The majority of Western countries are significantly less violent than the US.

The larger point I've been making throughout this thread is that there is a correlation between the number of guns within a country and the rate of gun-related homicides within that country.

Big Phoenix_sl said:

Lol do you even look at rape, robbery, assault, car theft statistics?

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Yes.

Sebudai_sl said:

As was made evident by the post I quoted in my initial reply, the point I was making was that other Western countries are not "just as violent" as the US. I don't know why you're reading so much into this. Dude said other Western countries were just as violent as we are, and they're not. The majority of Western countries are significantly less violent than the US.

The larger point I've been making throughout this thread is that there is a correlation between the number of guns within a country and the rate of gun-related homicides within that country.

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So what about a correlation? How does bringing up this correlation pertain to gun control?

This is a thread about gun control, if you aren't trying to make any points in relation to that topic then why are you here?

Flunklesnarkin_sl said:

So what about a correlation? How does bringing up this correlation pertain to gun control?

This is a thread about gun control, if you aren't trying to make any points in relation to that topic then why are you here?

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First of all, it illustrates that effective gun control can reduce the rate of homicides in a country, and that just throwing more guns at the problem might not be the best solution, and in fact may be counterproductive. Secondly, and more importantly, what are you, the fuckin' thread police? I was directly responding to an assertion made by another poster in the thread. What is your fucking problem? Why the fuck areyouhere?

Sebudai_sl said:

First of all, it illustrates that effective gun control can reduce the rate of homicides in a country, and that just throwing more guns at the problem might not be the best solution, and in fact may be counterproductive. Secondly, and more importantly, what are you, the fuckin' thread police? I was directly responding to an assertion made by another poster in the thread. What is your fucking problem? Why the fuck areyouhere?

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I would suggest you read this article on what exactly correlation means.

Correlation does not imply causation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correla...mply_causation


I wouldn't call my self the thread police, I do try to point out retarded thought processes where I can though.


You also seem to be referring to some generic concept of "Gun Control" like the grass is always greener kind of mentality. You have no ideas or opinions for what we should do but you are certain other countries are doing it better because they have lessReportedgun deaths.

If you have an actual thought on how gun control should be implemented in America that would be interesting to hear. All you seem to be saying at the moment is "WE NEED GUN CONTROL" in the same way a fox news retard parrots the talking points they hear all day on TV. You also seem to be convinced that other countries are doing it right but you fail to realize all those other countries have varied gun policies that aren't carbon copies of each other.

So if you want to have an actual discussion and point to actual policies that might work for America lets debate this. If you just want to keep parroting the generic gun control message you hear on the news though there really is no point responding to you. You obviously aren't capable of putting forward any sort of meaningful argument or independent thought.

gogusrl_sl said:

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...udents-arrest/

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This is just beyond retarded. Every house has "electronic parts" and "cleaners that can be mixed into explosives".

They did get a warrant to search his house though so they must have had a pretty convincing drawing of a bomb! (probably not~~)