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fanaskin

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Has the NRA gone insane? Waxing nostalgic about being able to bring your shotgun on a plane?
What's wrong about wishing you could do that and everybody around you wasn't so callow, weak willed and terrified of their own shadow that it would not be considered a big deal?

I would argue you sir have gone insane by placing an infinite value on life, that has setup a paralyzing and psychosis(loss of contact with reality) driven reality.

The American people are so weak willed and soft nowadays they often don't even perceive they are able to handle anything remotely dangerous.





As all empires age, usually their population becomes soft on easy living, it has contributed to many a societal collapse.

"History is filled with the sound of silken slippers going downstairs and wooden shoes coming up." - Voltaire
 

Caliane

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Fucking video games! Goddamned Mortal Combat!!!1
yeah, know. we all want to say, but our games!? and we turned out fine..
Zelda, mario, street fighter, etc.
later doom.

our games, were not 95% Call of Duty clones. Same when you talk about Japan and their crime rates. The FPS is not remotely as big over there, as here.
Can you seriously look at the gaming marketplace and say, it has not made a heavy shift towards heavy gun, FPS realism?

The gaming industry does need to take a good look at itself and what it is putting out. If it wants 1st amendment protection, then it needs to have a voice. and not just shoveling out gore porn.

The gaming marketplace does reflect the gun culture massively.

In the same way we look at news media, and say, "Hey, stop glorifying this shit. stop giving them attention." Same applies to games, movies. Grow up.
 

Dashel

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Mass shootings are typically done by young white males with mental issues. When you're talking about general gun violence, that's mostly younger people in urban areas as far as I can tell from what I've read. I have yet to see anything proposed that will change either of those problems.

Speaking of general gun violence, anyone watch Gangland on History channel? I wonder how much of the gun related homicides are gang related in the US.

 

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the vast majority.
then suicides #2 iirc.

that is generally why any comparisons to other countries and their gun laws is stupid, . Those countries do not reflect the social or economic situations of our large cities.
 

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yeah, know. we all want to say, but our games!? and we turned out fine..
Zelda, mario, street fighter, etc.
later doom.

our games, were not 95% Call of Duty clones. Same when you talk about Japan and their crime rates. The FPS is not remotely as big over there, as here.
Can you seriously look at the gaming marketplace and say, it has not made a heavy shift towards heavy gun, FPS realism?

The gaming industry does need to take a good look at itself and what it is putting out. If it wants 1st amendment protection, then it needs to have a voice. and not just shoveling out gore porn.

The gaming marketplace does reflect the gun culture massively.

In the same way we look at news media, and say, "Hey, stop glorifying this shit. stop giving them attention." Same applies to games, movies. Grow up.
Very, very, very, very weak argument. Millions and millions and millions of FPS have been sold. lol. And I guess violent video games only influence people in America? Amazing!

(I did have a friend play chutes and ladders, and hours later sodomize a women and kill his mother.)
 

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Mass shootings are typically done by young white males with mental issues. When you're talking about general gun violence, that's mostly younger people in urban areas as far as I can tell from what I've read. I have yet to see anything proposed that will change either of those problems.

Speaking of general gun violence, anyone watch Gangland on History channel? I wonder how much of the gun related homicides are gang related in the US.
Before I get called a racist, do we have any numbers on what races kill which races most often with pistols?
 

Aychamo BanBan

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...crime-us-state

DC, Louisiana, and Missisip are pretty much way out of line with everywhere else.
That in no way answered my question.
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I'm interested in data that shows which races are killing people most often with pistols. Ie, are most of these "gun crimes" gang related shootings?
 

fanaskin

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ethnic diversity is a Base cause of regional conflict.
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world...rsity_2000.jpg
Made worse by corruption (cpi = corruption perception index)
http://www.icgg.org/downloads/CPI_2007_worldmap.jpg
curbed by gun ownership
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/ass...rearms-map.jpg
= intentional homicide rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M...icide_rate.png

Ethnic diversity seems to have a direct causal relationship to intentional homicide rates.

Nobody is willing to talk about it or be branded a social outcast as a "racist" but here it is.



The other thing you should notice is that your life isn't inherently any more safe because of gun bans, Look at the intentional homicide rates in corrupt countries with low gun ownership rates. Violence is everywhere in the world it doesn't matter if guns are involved or not there will still be violence.

Guns on average level the playing field allowing the weak a better chance to stand up to the strong.
 

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Looking at some of the charts people are posting, I think part of the problem is that the US is an entirely unique example. There are no other first world countries with their degree of either social problems or gun ownership, so any real comparison is impossible.
Exactly, so the best way to evaluate the effectiveness of gun control is to look at the murder/crime rates in the same country before and after guns are banned. Of course there are still a lot of other factors, but far less than comparing two countries on different continents. I have personally never found a place where murder/gun crime rates declined or even stayed steady after a major gun ban.
 

Aychamo BanBan

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ethnic diversity is a Base cause of regional conflict.
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world...rsity_2000.jpg
Made worse by corruption (cpi = corruption perception index)
http://www.icgg.org/downloads/CPI_2007_worldmap.jpg
curbed by gun ownership
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/ass...rearms-map.jpg
= intentional homicide rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M...icide_rate.png

Ethnic diversity seems to have a direct causal relationship to intentional homicide rates.

Nobody is willing to talk about it or be branded a social outcast as a "racist" but here it is.



The other thing you should notice is that your life isn't inherently any more safe because of gun bans, Look at the intentional homicide rates in corrupt countries with low gun ownership rates. Violence is everywhere in the world it doesn't matter if guns are involved or not there will still be violence.

Guns on average level the playing field allowing the weak a better chance to stand up to the strong.
I definitely don't want to live anywhere south of Texas, or anywhere in Africa or Asia!
 

Dashel

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Corey Booker making sense on this.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf..._river_default

"This is a convenient trick to try to divide our country more. Most of us in America, including gun owners, agree on things that would stop the kind of carnage that's going on in cities all over America."

"I'm tired of the political debates," he added. "They're not necessary. I'm tired of the ideological positions. We don't even need to visit them. Let's stick to the pragmatic center where all Americans believe the same thing and let's pass legislation that would make America safer."

"I'm not afraid of law-abiding citizens who buy a gun," he said. "Buy the guns you want. What the problem is in America right now is that a terrorist person who is on the no-fly list could go into the secondary market today and buy a weapon."

"Criminals are killing people," the mayor added. "Not law-abiding gun owners."