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Big Phoenix

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Lol worthless fucking cop;



What a fucking joke. Stupid bitch should be out of a job and barred for life from ever being responsible for anyone else. What say you now you "only cops need guns or are professional enough" people?
 

opiate82

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You want to say the statistical data that we have seen out of Australia and England after their gun bans does not support the conclusion that banning guns results in more instances overall in violent crime because we can't prove causation, fine.

You sure as hell better find evidence that any sort of gun ban will have a positive influence over those things before you support one then.

(And when your loved ones could end up being a victim of these crimes, you are really going to support the line of thinking that "boy, we don't know why all the crime rates went up, BUT CAN'T PROVE IT WAS THE GUN BAN"... really?)
 

Zhaun_sl

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I think the second amendment allows for licened ownership of antitank weapons and heavy machineguns, so don't look at me.
 

Big Phoenix

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Anything the individual infantry man carries is fairgame(aside from maybe pure explosives).
 

chaos

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Is anyone outside of the left wing fringe in this country actually supportive of a total gun ban?

I don;t really know where the line is, I suppose it is one of those "i'll know it when I see it" things. I don't think people should be able to own artillery or explosives, but I realize what a stupid waste of time the "assault rifle" ban arguments are as well. And I also own zero guns and probably never will. Maybe a rifle or something one day as my girls get older.
 

Big Phoenix

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Well Chicago, NYC and D.C. all have more or less defacto gun bans. CA, NJ, NY, IN, CT, HI all have very restrictive state laws or bans altogether.

Dont kid yourself for a second, 90% of this country will believe whatever Bloomberg or Fienstien tells them when it comes to guns and gun control.
 

chaos

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The polls don't really show that. Sure, the polls show that people support an assault weapons ban, but the problem is that people have no fucking idea what an "assault weapon" really is. So they use what they think from movies or whatever.

I thought the gun bans in Chicago and DC had been thrown out? I don't really keep up.
 

Big Phoenix

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Technically they are legal, but they can be considered to be pretty much banned considering the insane amount of redtape and restrictions placed on owning one. Handguns arent illegal in NYC either, but unless you are someone of importance or connected you arent gonna get a gun as joe regular.

example, the process of getting a gun legally in DC;
Get a gun -- If you aren't just registering a gun that you already own, I suggest picking out and buying your gun first because the ten-day waiting period begins on the purchase date. Make sure your final pick is on one of these three states' lists, and that it comes with a magazine that holds no more than 10 rounds.

Transfer the gun -- Handguns have to go through a local federal firearms licensee (FFL). Call D.C.'s only legal gun dealer, Charles Sykes, and tell him you will be sending the firearm to his office. Phone is (301) 577-1427. Shotguns and rifles do not need to be transferred through a local FFL. They can then be shipped directly to you from the out-of-state dealer once you can show the registration certificate.

Get the forms -- Unfortunately, MPD has not put the forms you need online. Call the firearms registry office at (202) 727-4275 and ask to have them send you the "application for firearm registration certificate" (they call it "PD-219") and the gun registration packet. For new guns, fill out the right side of the registration form and leave the left side for Mr. Sykes. Download the "statement of eligibility" form and fill it out. Be sure to answer "yes" on the 11th question if you haven't lied on questions 1 to 10.

Take the online course -- Click on this link to watch the video about fundamentals, safety and local laws. It takes about 30 minutes to watch it. You might want to take notes in your registration packet for the written test. At the end, you print out the certificate, sign it and bring it with you to MPD.

Meet with Charles Sykes -- When your handgun arrives, Mr. Sykes will call you to make an appointment to fill out the registration form (PD-219). His office is in the same building as MPD, inside the entrance for the DMV on C Street. Bring his $125 fee in cash. He will have you fill out some forms and wait while he calls FBI for an instant background check. Take the gun's receipt.

Apply to register at MPD -- If you already own a gun and just need to register, take the gun and all the forms to the registry office, which is inside the entrance of MPD headquarters at 300 Indiana Ave, NW. From Mr. Sykes's office, take your gun upstairs one floor to the registration office. Bring with you the completed registration and eligibility forms, training course certificate, proof of residency (driver's license) and identity (Social Security card).

Take the test -- The registry office administers a 20-question, written, multiple-choice test on the online course and the registration packet. MPD now allows you to look at the packet while taking the test, so you don't need to memorize anything.

Get fingerprinted -- You'll be asked to fill out a few more forms, then be photographed and fingerprinted.

Go to DMV - The registration office will be given a bill for $48 in fees. You have to take this downstairs to the DMV and pay the fee in cash. Once you have the receipt, go back to MPD, so they can complete your application.

Waiting period -- The registration office staff will tell you what day to come back for the end of the ten-day waiting period. It starts either the day you submit the registration certificate or when you purchased the gun, whichever is earliest. Be sure to show them your purchase receipt to get a shorter wait.

Return to MPD -- The day before your waiting period ends, you can call and ask if your application was approved. If so, call Mr. Sykes to make an appointment to meet to pick up the handgun. Go back to MPD to pick up the registration permit. Take the form to Mr. Sykes so he can release the gun to you. If you already own your gun or you are buying a rifle or shotgun, you can have the registration certificate mailed to you to save you the trip.

Pick up your gun -- Take the document downstairs to Mr. Sykes's office, and he'll release the gun to you. Check ahead of time to ensure your gun came with a lock and a case. If not, be sure to bring one to transport the gun home.

Read more:http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...#ixzz2H9YQhCdn
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
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Was that guy trying to suicide by cop or what?

What an odd stand off, I don't know why she didn't just shoot him.


Technically they are legal, but they can be considered to be pretty much banned considering the insane amount of redtape and restrictions placed on owning one. Handguns arent illegal in NYC either, but unless you are someone of importance or connected you arent gonna get a gun as joe regular.

example, the process of getting a gun legally in DC;
Get a gun -- If you aren't just registering a gun that you already own, I suggest picking out and buying your gun first because the ten-day waiting period begins on the purchase date. Make sure your final pick is on one of these three states' lists, and that it comes with a magazine that holds no more than 10 rounds.

Transfer the gun -- Handguns have to go through a local federal firearms licensee (FFL). Call D.C.'s only legal gun dealer, Charles Sykes, and tell him you will be sending the firearm to his office. Phone is (301) 577-1427. Shotguns and rifles do not need to be transferred through a local FFL. They can then be shipped directly to you from the out-of-state dealer once you can show the registration certificate.

Get the forms -- Unfortunately, MPD has not put the forms you need online. Call the firearms registry office at (202) 727-4275 and ask to have them send you the "application for firearm registration certificate" (they call it "PD-219") and the gun registration packet. For new guns, fill out the right side of the registration form and leave the left side for Mr. Sykes. Download the "statement of eligibility" form and fill it out. Be sure to answer "yes" on the 11th question if you haven't lied on questions 1 to 10.

Take the online course -- Click on this link to watch the video about fundamentals, safety and local laws. It takes about 30 minutes to watch it. You might want to take notes in your registration packet for the written test. At the end, you print out the certificate, sign it and bring it with you to MPD.

Meet with Charles Sykes -- When your handgun arrives, Mr. Sykes will call you to make an appointment to fill out the registration form (PD-219). His office is in the same building as MPD, inside the entrance for the DMV on C Street. Bring his $125 fee in cash. He will have you fill out some forms and wait while he calls FBI for an instant background check. Take the gun's receipt.

Apply to register at MPD -- If you already own a gun and just need to register, take the gun and all the forms to the registry office, which is inside the entrance of MPD headquarters at 300 Indiana Ave, NW. From Mr. Sykes's office, take your gun upstairs one floor to the registration office. Bring with you the completed registration and eligibility forms, training course certificate, proof of residency (driver's license) and identity (Social Security card).

Take the test -- The registry office administers a 20-question, written, multiple-choice test on the online course and the registration packet. MPD now allows you to look at the packet while taking the test, so you don't need to memorize anything.

Get fingerprinted -- You'll be asked to fill out a few more forms, then be photographed and fingerprinted.

Go to DMV - The registration office will be given a bill for $48 in fees. You have to take this downstairs to the DMV and pay the fee in cash. Once you have the receipt, go back to MPD, so they can complete your application.

Waiting period -- The registration office staff will tell you what day to come back for the end of the ten-day waiting period. It starts either the day you submit the registration certificate or when you purchased the gun, whichever is earliest. Be sure to show them your purchase receipt to get a shorter wait.

Return to MPD -- The day before your waiting period ends, you can call and ask if your application was approved. If so, call Mr. Sykes to make an appointment to meet to pick up the handgun. Go back to MPD to pick up the registration permit. Take the form to Mr. Sykes so he can release the gun to you. If you already own your gun or you are buying a rifle or shotgun, you can have the registration certificate mailed to you to save you the trip.

Pick up your gun -- Take the document downstairs to Mr. Sykes's office, and he'll release the gun to you. Check ahead of time to ensure your gun came with a lock and a case. If not, be sure to bring one to transport the gun home.

Read more:http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...#ixzz2H9YQhCdn
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
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Idk if any of the implies a defacto ban. Maybe if there was a statistic on how often people were rejected for licenses and the reasons given for that rejection?

If the reason was just, fuck you average joe then I could see that being construed as a defacto gun ban.
 

Zombie Thorne_sl

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I don't know first hand, but have heard more than a few ppl say it is impossible to get signatures required unless you are connected or can prove carrying large amounts of cash for work.
 

Aychamo BanBan

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I don't know first hand, but have heard more than a few ppl say it is impossible to get signatures required unless you are connected or can prove carrying large amounts of cash for work.
You are absolutely correct. You will not get the approval to carry a handgun in NYC unless you are a big shot that has a reason too. For example, a public figure that has received death threats or threatening messages before. Anthony Cumia from Opie & Anthony has the license to carry a handgun in NYC and he always talks about what a ridiculously impossible feat it is to get it. And he has to keep files of messages that he's received from upset people to use to justify his permit, etc.
 

Goatface

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I did a search and nothing turned up so i may have missed it being posted, but speaking of new york
this websiteused Freedom of Info Act to get the names and address of some 40,000 gun permit holders in dec.
pro-gun people were upset immediately, but law markers seemed slow to act until thepolice unionsgot into the picture, saying it has the names of some 8,000 active/retired police and correction officers.
so now other counties are refusing to give out the info and new laws to protect the names are coming out.
 

spronk

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Quick Google Fu pulled up some stats. You can claim the gun ban wasn't the causation I suppose, but the timing is awfully suspicious.

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2012/...ies-and-brits/
I own a few guns and don't support any sort of gun restrictions, but todays NYtimes has an article that really contradicts the link you posted. Dunno who is right, since its easy to fudge numbers around to support any position really. Have to look at the number also carefully, it should always be per capita based since population growths can throw off any absolute percentage gains/declines (murders grew 2%, but pop grew 10% means murder rates actually slowed down. Unless its per capita)

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/06/su...e-killing.html
After a gruesome mass murder in 1996 provoked public outrage, Australia enacted stricter gun laws, including a 28-day waiting period before purchase and a ban on semiautomatic weapons. Before then, Australia had averaged one mass shooting a year. Since, rates of both homicide and suicide have dropped 50 percent, and there have been no mass killings, said Ms. Peters, who lobbied for the legislation.

Japan has also one of the stricted gun policies and the lowest rape/homicide rates in the world, and as the article above points out the countries where there are a ton of free roaming gun people (south america) murder/assault is out of control.

Its pretty much what aych said previously, fucked up shit happens and our leaders try to convince us that really stupid shit (TSA, arming a bunch of mall cops) somehow makes us safer. until one of the mall cops goes postal and kills 20 people, then of course we need 3 mall cops to keep an eye on each other.

The cool thing is that the future is brighter, at some point we will have ways to decode the human brain in realtime and computers will be able to "read" human emotional states. We won't need a lot of security if scanners everywhere can instantly pacify someone who is getting ready to act on violent impulses. Sadly its stuff we won't see in our lifetimes, but I am hopeful for my kids and their kids. Lets just hope the computers themselves don't become irrational like us
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