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Aychamo BanBan

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Actually, the problem with our homicide rate, is in fact directly attributable to the "brown" people. The "brown" people, which make up around 90 million of our overall population have a higher propensity to commit homicide with a firearm than the "white" people.

These statistics are pulled from a CDC report located at:http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr60/nvsr60_03.pdf(URL of other stats on the page for those who wish to educate themselves more to most causes of death in the US:http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm)

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I will make the assumption that everyone here can read a chart....
Thank you for posting actual data to back up a statement. I think Mikhail owes khalid a big 'ol apology! (And all those poor kids he insulted.)
 
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Also the idea that hispanics should be counted as "whites" is pretty dumb. Race is already only social construct. Hispanics are treated differently than the majority because of the color of their skin. That's sufficient for any scientifically valid definition of race.
 

Tuco

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This thread was much better before Mikhail came in here and started flopping around like a confused fish.
 

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I wasn't being hyperbolic. I couldn't tell from your post if that was the point you were making. It seemed to me you were arguing that 2A would protect any weapon ever created, but I see I misunderstood. It only protects any arm ever created, you argue. Yet, your definition of arms is rather vague. Is it your definition that you've created, or gleaned from common sense, or is it from a case? Do grenades fit your definition? Shoulder mounted rockets?

How does the number of people who operate a weapon figure into your point? I'm not sure I understand your fourth sentence. Are you saying a ship of the line, a smaller version of a ship of the line, a fighter jet, or some combination of those options requires multiple personel to function? My guess is that you mean all of them, but my grandfather flew F-86's, which as you may know, can be operated by a single person.

Is your claim that the 2A gives (should give?) one the right to own and use any hand held weaponry that will ever be created? A gatling gun, of the sort I'm imagining at least, is not something I would call hand held, more like hand operated. Do you include all hand operated weapons? Only those generally operated by one person? Some states prohibit possessing nunchuks, are those arms?

You seem to have misunderstood me about the framers. I wasn't suggesting that their possible disagreement should have an effect on our interpretation of 2A; I'm not big into original intent. I was just asking whether you thought they all agreed on 2A, because you seemed to refer to them as a single group sharing the same intention.
Second amendment(in my humble opinion) only protects arms as determined by whether said arms is derived from a pistol, rifle, (and get this), and sword. These were the arms that was being used in the framers era and which they thought of as arms. If one can logically, directly (and convincingly) extrapolate from one of these to a modern weapon, one would have a good second amendment protection argument.

Your grandfather needed a complex team to fly his jet-fighter. The jetfighter is essentially a derivative of a ship; which is a weapons platform, not a weapon.
It is unlikely that the framers were all in agreement, considering the general disagreeableness of any group when engaged in discusion. They did however reach a consensus on the second amendment.
 

Kinner

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I know you don't understand why because you're really stupid but that data, in literally no way, backs up the claim thatcauseof that violence is the race of the people committing it.
So from that data, we understand that "brown" people die from guns more, everyone can agree on this. The question we now have to ask is why are the "brown" people dying from guns at a higher rate than the "white" people?

Also, strictly looking at the numbers, one could ascertain that "Non Hispanic Whites" die from assault with unspecified means at nearly the same rate as they do with firearms (557 deaths). Yet "Hispanics" and "Non Hispanic Blacks" do not. 4501 more deaths with firearms from "Non Hispanic Blacks" and 1065 for the "Hispanics".

So from these statistics, do we simply need to remove the firearms from the "Hispanics" and "Non Hispanic Blacks" thereby reducing our overall homicide number to 3,261?
 

Gavinmad

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So from that data, we understand that "brown" people die from guns more, everyone can agree on this. The question we now have to ask is why are the "brown" people dying from guns at a higher rate than the "white" people?

Also, strictly looking at the numbers, one could ascertain that "Non Hispanic Whites" die from assault with unspecified means at nearly the same rate as they do with firearms (557 deaths). Yet "Hispanics" and "Non Hispanic Blacks" do not. 4501 more deaths with firearms from "Non Hispanic Blacks" and 1065 for the "Hispanics".

So from these statistics, do we simply need to remove the firearms from the "Hispanics" and "Non Hispanic Blacks" thereby reducing our overall homicide number to 3,261?
See what happens Mikhail? When you turn into a gigantic faggot and start screaming racist over and over again, eventually an actual racist shows up.
 
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The question we now have to ask is why are the "brown" people dying from guns at a higher rate than the "white" people?
I already know the answer you would give to this question (it's obvious from the framing of the debate). You're talking to someone smarter than you. Playing coy is a waste of everyone's time.