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tad10
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The majority of you refuse to make simple deductions and too many of you are blindly supporting Obamacare. If this site is still around in 2016 it will be fun to watch the wailing as most of you lose your insurance and start facing the ridiculous deductibles and significantly higher premiums for sub-standard care and/or find themselves having to make appointments with their doctor three months in advance and/or wait ten hours in the ER for that hockey puck injury.
See the difference between the US and Canada is that we actually have roughly ten times their population and smart people realize that what works on a small scale doesn't necessarily work so well once you scale up.
As I said, it'll be fun to see reality intrude on your fantasies.
See the difference between the US and Canada is that we actually have roughly ten times their population and smart people realize that what works on a small scale doesn't necessarily work so well once you scale up.
As I said, it'll be fun to see reality intrude on your fantasies.
TheBeagle
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We have ten times the population and ten times the GDP, your flimsy excuse is, well, flimsy. If scaling up never works then please explain to us why we can have the largest military force in the history of humanity and it isn't an abject failure?
Obamacare is going to suck because it's not socialized enough. Higher deductibles and higher premiums are symptoms of privatized health care, not socialized health care.
Obamacare is going to suck because it's not socialized enough. Higher deductibles and higher premiums are symptoms of privatized health care, not socialized health care.
tad10
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In this is why it's pointless to argue with you idiots. If you can't realize the difference between providing services for 30 million and 300 million then what's the point?
TheBeagle is just as, if not more stupid. The effect of socialized medical care is to de-incentivize people to become doctors, UK NHS has only worked because they stole doctors from the commonwealth resulting in worse care in India and elsewhere and adequate care in the UK. We don't have places to easily steal cheap doctors.
TheBeagle
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Please show us where this hyper-capitalistic utopian society that you conservatives espouse actually exists. A land free of governmental regulation and social safety nets.
Are you arguing that health care before Obummercare was passed was working out great and in the best interests of our country? Please tell us how you keep premiums affordable when 50 million people go uninsured and pass their healthcare costs onto the ER's which are then passed on to paying consumers.
Are you arguing that health care before Obummercare was passed was working out great and in the best interests of our country? Please tell us how you keep premiums affordable when 50 million people go uninsured and pass their healthcare costs onto the ER's which are then passed on to paying consumers.
tad10
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Healthcare was better before Obamacare. Currently looks like there will be more uninsured Jan 1, 2014 than before.
The only people who benefited from Obamacare were baby boomers not yet eligible for Medicare.
Basically Obamacare takes money from poor people (the young) and gives it to the rich (baby boomers).
Yet again Obama shows that the only group he gives a shit about are white baby boomers. Blacks, Hispanics, teens, young adults and retired all have done worse under Obama and Obamacare is the biggest middle finger yet.
Keep defending it bro!
tad10
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You're arguing with every point I've made against Obamacare. That's termed "defending it" you total fuckwad.
If you're on meth and you're thinking you're making cogent arguments: you're not. You still haven't told me where you're going to magically make all the doctors appear that you need to appear for a single-payer system to work. You going to institute press gangs in India? Or force people to get M.D.s now that you've made it as economically appealing as a mealy apple? You're going to wish them into existence? Please, enlighten all of us.
But hey if you're really just trolling, well then fuck off.
Burnem Wizfyre
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Tad10 is truly amazing in just how retarded he is, the state of health care in this country is fucking garbage for everyone involved with the exception of insurance companies. The insured pay for themselves and the uninsured and everyone gets a worse experience for it but we can't move to a universal health care system where everyone pays their own share because dumb fucks like Tad10 think its literally impossible to implement. A country that put a man on the moon, the Hubble telescope, etc etc etc can't figure out how to copy another country because "LOL SCALE".
Let's pretend if we can manage to get them to admit that medicare for everyone isn't that hard to implement, we will move to the next retarded argument which passes as logic with them idiots. Fraud and Waste, any amount of fraud of waste and the whole thing has to be scrapped, even if it's actually cheaper to just accept the fraud and waste we have to throw the baby out with the bath water because if even one fucking dead beat son of a bitch waste money or gets something free then FUCK EVERYONE. As if fraud and waste are only present in government and not a part of everything that we as a species have ever done. Just think back to school when you got placed in a group, there was the lazy guy (dead beat/waste), the guy who did nothing but takes all the credit (fraud) and the one guy that does all the work. Though for some reason waste and fraud in defense spending is perfectly acceptable when it helps to kill brown people.
So yes Tad it is pointless to debate with us, when nothing you say is based on logic or fact it's kind of hard for us to say anything that will get through the wall of stupid you have built around yourself.
Let's pretend if we can manage to get them to admit that medicare for everyone isn't that hard to implement, we will move to the next retarded argument which passes as logic with them idiots. Fraud and Waste, any amount of fraud of waste and the whole thing has to be scrapped, even if it's actually cheaper to just accept the fraud and waste we have to throw the baby out with the bath water because if even one fucking dead beat son of a bitch waste money or gets something free then FUCK EVERYONE. As if fraud and waste are only present in government and not a part of everything that we as a species have ever done. Just think back to school when you got placed in a group, there was the lazy guy (dead beat/waste), the guy who did nothing but takes all the credit (fraud) and the one guy that does all the work. Though for some reason waste and fraud in defense spending is perfectly acceptable when it helps to kill brown people.
So yes Tad it is pointless to debate with us, when nothing you say is based on logic or fact it's kind of hard for us to say anything that will get through the wall of stupid you have built around yourself.
TheBeagle
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I was half assed arguing for socialized medicine, which Obummercare most decidedly is not. Thanks for the - net though, cry harder.
Your strawman argument of disappearing MD's is completely made up and without merit, I'm not going to fall for such a ham-fisted attempt at a trap. Every single medical school in the country still has more people applying than being accepted. Where is the shortage of doctors in Canada? If your argument is based on 'they have ten times fewer people, derp', guess what, they also have ten times fewer MDs.
How come we can have the most elite military force in the world and it's completely socialized and run by the Federal Government Turd10? What is so magical about running the military that it can be done at a federal level but health care can't?
Your strawman argument of disappearing MD's is completely made up and without merit, I'm not going to fall for such a ham-fisted attempt at a trap. Every single medical school in the country still has more people applying than being accepted. Where is the shortage of doctors in Canada? If your argument is based on 'they have ten times fewer people, derp', guess what, they also have ten times fewer MDs.
How come we can have the most elite military force in the world and it's completely socialized and run by the Federal Government Turd10? What is so magical about running the military that it can be done at a federal level but health care can't?
fanaskin
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well the american association of medical colleges says there is going to be a shortage. they list adding 30 million new people into the system as part of the main reason (+ baby boomers retiring )
https://www.aamc.org/download/286592/data/
https://www.aamc.org/download/286592/data/
TheBeagle
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Jesus Christ you guys are psychopaths. You guys are pissed because MORE people will have insurance? You will only be happy as long as you are comforted in the fact that 32 million Americans remain uninsured? Is that the point of linking the article? Because what you linked makes no mention of a doctor shortage because they aren't getting paid enough, but because baby boomers are getting old and the previously uninsured will now have coverage.
In fact, your article actually argues for MORE assistance from the Federal Government in shoring up our health care. Do you even fucking read what you link garglechimp?
fanaskin
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Bear in mind the majority of these people are the ones that DON'T WANT IT TO BEGIN WITH, and are having it forced on them.
You realize the way you align your positions you're actually arguing it's better to hurt large groups of minorities so pampered white kids who where never for the most part in danger can pay for their elderly parents who have nothing better to do than watch politics and vote?
fanaskin
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Whether it's better or not, this should tell you that insurance companies are going to start narrowing the networks they operate in order to cut their costs, your ability to chose the doctor you like would also have to be narrowed as a consequence.
Ezekiel Emanuel
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The hilarity of your argument is that we handed, or more like, the government seized control of healthcare, fumbled around and fucked it all up exactly as conservatives predicted they would because they fuck up everything they are handed, and the liberal argument is that the government didn't have ENOUGH control and if they did, it would be this healthcare utopia and we would all gather round and sing fucking kumbaya. Shit don't work, and it will never work because the government is a running fucking joke filled with incompetents and idiots. The ACA is just the latest example of how NOT to run something. But sure guys, I'm sure your right. Based on the history of government in charge of programs, lets do single payer. I'm sure THAT will work.
chaos
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If a man doesn't want insurance, and then he goes in for treatment, who pays for his care?