Health Care Thread
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Vaclav
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It's more depressing to have to explain how math and the universe operate, personally.
So many, "I expect X" nonsense without considering what is possible. And of course on top there's those that fake it with constant pessimism where every figure is assumed to be it's worst, rather than closer to the average where reality tends to dictate.
It really must be depressing walking into McDs with $5 expecting them to have changed into a steakhouse with the same pricing since your last visit. But for those of us living in reality, we're not shocked.
Not meeting rational reasonable expectations are another thing, but 90% of the arguments out there against current stuff are just random appeals to emotion that fail the test of being realistically possible. (I.e. the stupid debt, not deficit argument)
fanaskin
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And who frames those expectations for large masses of people? Obama could have say gone for a public option there's no reason why he couldn't have championed that cause that had overwhelming majority support, but instead he surrendered it for nothing without a fight, so he can cater to the real people he serves. All the while the corporate media kept giving people the idea that it wasn't feasible.
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Vaclav
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What the fuck are you talking about? He went for a public option you fucking moron - perhaps you meant UHC but you in your normal retardation are using words without understanding them. (Every exchange is required to have a state run plan as one of the options in case you're uninformed - so there's ALWAYS a public option, it's not the only choice however)
As for UHC you can thank the right wing media for that, they created backlash against the idea enough that UHC would never get the votes to pass. Not to mention for huge changes in politics stepping stones to the distant goal is generally the most successful... (i.e. Medicare started out very limited took almost 40 years before it covered the disabled and 25ish before a second solution to make sure the poor can access healthcare via Medicaid)
Asshat wormie
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In California, signups have been extended until the 15'th whether you started an app. or not, but they can only be done through an insurance agent. So expect the number to climb even higher now that the procrastinators can sign up, since the website wasn't really working yesterday.
Hoss
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How do you feel about 10-20%? Cause you're going to have to pay mine too.
1. Looks like you're getting debt and deficit confused again. The thing only thing we've been reducing is the deficit.
2. Since you used 'we', I guess that means you now identify with us tea party terrorists. Speaking for the tea party as a whole, we are not happy to have you aboard. Please go continue to be retarded under the democrat tent.
Yeah, you're going to have to get over the ad hominem thing. We kind of pride ourselves on that around here. It's a weakness of your character if you're not able to get past the ad hominems and address the points that were made (or ignore it altogether if none were made)
TrollfaceDeux
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Seems to be a good first step toward bringing the cost of health-care down. Hopefully.
Vaclav
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1) Debt is a symptom, deficit is the cause - you deal with the deficit to deal with debt, they are inexorably intertwined with deficit being the method for action on the latter. The only exception being a massive windfall happening, but when you're talking a national level that's impossible. There's no confusion anyone who speaks of action on the debt being a big deal and doesn't praise deficit work needs their head checked.
2) To date there's been minimal Tea Party influence on budget cutting, zero of their big targets at all have occurred. So about that... (I think none of their small ones that weren't D supported as well, but not going to check personally).
Hoss, still being stupid - good to see the status quo still exists.
2) To date there's been minimal Tea Party influence on budget cutting, zero of their big targets at all have occurred. So about that... (I think none of their small ones that weren't D supported as well, but not going to check personally).
Hoss, still being stupid - good to see the status quo still exists.
Sloshed
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So the government who couldn't tell us how many people have signed up can now magically tell us the numbers once they hit their projections?
Vaclav
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But magically a month later everything is fixed, working, and all the enrollment numbers are suddenly available? Come on, just lol. This is so rigged and obvious bullshit all one can do is laugh out loud.
fanaskin
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indignant shit response
man I'm really glad this non-bullshitting non con-man liberal progressive laid it out on the line for the little guy.
Miles Mogulescu: NY Times Reporter Confirms Obama Made Deal to Kill Public Option
Burnem Wizfyre
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You would think someone who has a lot experience playing MMO's and how things can have a rocky start and fucked up to begin with can be turned around after a bad launch, but nope not with someone as fucking stupid as you. Believes Seal Team 6 was 6 people, but refuses to believe a website can be fixed in a month. Jesus titty fucking christ you are one willfully ignorant petulant shit stain of a man.
Kreugen
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I like that Anthem is blaming the Obamacare surge for their customer support problems. When said problems predate Obamacare by a decade or more. They've had problems with claims being fucked up by whatever dirt eating country they outsourced their systems to for years, and good fucking luck getting anyone on the phone if you don't have a rep you can contact directly. Their customer service rating has been in the toilet for as long as such ratings have widely existed.
But free market solves everything right? Except where do you go when ALL of your options cut every possible corner when it comes to customer service? What then? I looked into the other options and they are all 1 star rated in customer satisfaction. Joy. Good thing they are running at a 20% profit margin while being absolute fuckheads to their customers.
But free market solves everything right? Except where do you go when ALL of your options cut every possible corner when it comes to customer service? What then? I looked into the other options and they are all 1 star rated in customer satisfaction. Joy. Good thing they are running at a 20% profit margin while being absolute fuckheads to their customers.
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