Health Care Thread

Juvarisx

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When the boomers start dying off and the screaming about SOCIALISM!!!111 while collecting SS and visiting the doctor for nearly free due to Medicare dies with them it is going to happen as it will be too expensive otherwise.
 

Karloff_sl

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You must be smoking crack if after this debacle any politician will even touch a fully government run health care system. Obama fucked that all up with his total incompetence in doing even this much.
Typical redneck, hey I'm using all the gov't benefits I can get my grubby paws on but screw the gov't and the president who make it possible for me to milk the cow. You have no shame do you
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Burnem Wizfyre

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Typical redneck, hey I'm using all the gov't benefits I can get my grubby paws on but screw the gov't and the president who make it possible for me to milk the cow. You have no shame do you
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Pisses and moans like a petulant child that it took him 6hrs to get his formula from WIC that saves him hundreds of dollars a month, bitches that everyone else on the program is lazy and defrauding the system.
 

Grim1

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For fuck's sake Grim, adults are talking.
Really? All I see is blind faith in a process that has been proven to fail every time it has been tried, thoughout the history of mankind. But you, like most people who follow charlatans without questioning their motives or lack of actual progress, can not admit to those obvious truths. For it would force you to admit that your very core beliefs are wrong. And you don't have the courage to do that.

Many of the posters here are adults in years only, but are in fact nothing more than followers of the new religion. Your dogma consumes you and reason is beyond your abilities. You act very much like the religious fanatics you claim to despise, and are just as blind to reality.
 

Grim1

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If she's evaluated through the lens of her past stance on health care reform, then I'm not so sure she'll prove to be your cup of tea. Her plan back in the 90's was even more of a strong-arming than Obamacare is. It included an individual mandate and required participation in regional alliances that had government mandated fee-for-service schedules, out of pocket limits, and minimum coverage standards. Low income individuals would have received coverage free of charge. It was her plan that turned "HMO" into a dirty word amongst Republicans. Their alternative (which Bob Dole ran on as his plan when he challenged Bill after his first term) looked an awful lot like what Obamacare does today.
Yes, her plan was very different back then when she was young, idealistic and stupid. Which is typical of most young idealogues. But she has navigated life very well since then and has become much more practical, centered, and aware of the realities of governing. She grew up and became a capable manager and leader. Obama never grew up, he doesn't know how to manage or lead, and it shows.

She isn't my favorite politician by any means, but she will be a much more effective and positive force in the WH than Obama. At home and on the world stage.
 

Loser Araysar

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Yes, her plan was very different back then when she was young, idealistic and stupid. Which is typical of most young idealogues. But she has navigated life very well since then and has become much more practical, centered, and aware of the realities of governing. She grew up and became a capable manager and leader. Obama never grew up, he doesn't know how to manage or lead, and it shows.

She isn't my favorite politician by any means, but she will be a much more effective and positive force in the WH than Obama. At home and on the world stage.
Translation: I'd rather have a white woman, than a black guy if those are my 2 options.

Do you think Mitt Romney would better than either of them?
 

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When the boomers start dying off and the screaming about SOCIALISM!!!111 while collecting SS and visiting the doctor for nearly free due to Medicare dies with them it is going to happen as it will be too expensive otherwise.
You're kinda stupid if you're implying that social security and medicare are some sort of handout, or even voluntary.
 

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Think you could ratchet up the arrogance and condescension any higher than that, Grim1, or are you at capacity?

What is it with people like you? It's not enough for you to just disagree with someone. No, no. That won't do at all. That doesn't make you special enough, does it? The people you disagree with have to be "blind" and follow "without questioning." They have to be cowards who are unable to admit "obvious truths." But you're not like that, right? Of course not. You're special.

The people you disagree with have to be immature and naive. I mean, if they weren't, they'd just agree with you, right? Nothing self-reinforcing about that! They don't have opinions, because that would imply some level of questioning and self-reflection. That paints them far too positively. No, what they have is dogma. They don't have a political philosophy or ideology, they have a political religion. But you don't, because once again, you're special.

Reel it in, bro.
 

chaos

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You're kinda stupid if you're implying that social security and medicare are some sort of handout, or even voluntary.
Do you think it is him you is implying that Medicare and SS, these evil "entitlement" programs, are some sort of handout?
 

Grim1

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Translation: I'd rather have a white woman, than a black guy if those are my 2 options.

Do you think Mitt Romney would better than either of them?
Pulling the race card is pathetic.. even for you.

Romney is a good manager, but I doubt he would have been a good leader, especially since most of the country wasn't willing to follow him. Hillary has strength, her character may be suspect but good character isn't a necessary quality to being a strong leader. So Hillary wins.

Both are closer to the center of the political spectrum so in that sense they have positives. As I said before, I'm sick of the extremes on both sides of the isle that are fucking this country up.
 

Grim1

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Think you could ratchet up the arrogance and condescension any higher than that, Grim1, or are you at capacity?

What is it with people like you? It's not enough for you to just disagree with someone. No, no. That won't do at all. That doesn't make you special enough, does it? The people you disagree with have to be "blind" and follow "without questioning." They have to be cowards who are unable to admit "obvious truths." But you're not like that, right? Of course not. You're special.

The people you disagree with have to be immature and naive. I mean, if they weren't, they'd just agree with you, right? Nothing self-reinforcing about that! They don't have opinions, because that would imply some level of questioning and self-reflection. That paints them far too positively. No, what they have is dogma. They don't have a political philosophy or ideology, they have a political religion. But you don't, because once again, you're special.

Reel it in, bro.
So are you willing to say the same thing to the people who I was responding to? ..... That's what I thought. Your special need to "reel it in" only goes one way.
 

Loser Araysar

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Pulling the race card is pathetic.. even for you.

Romney is a good manager, but I doubt he would have been a good leader, especially since most of the country wasn't willing to follow him. Hillary has strength, her character may be suspect but good character isn't a necessary quality to being a strong leader. So Hillary wins.

Both are closer to the center of the political spectrum so in that sense they have positives. As I said before, I'm sick of the extremes on both sides of the isle that are fucking this country up.
Yes we know, no one on the right is racist. No sirrrree. Especially when they pick their arch enemy Hilary Clinton over a black guy whose leadership and management skills are only in question because of "we're gonna make you a one term president, American Inventor"


P.S. "I can't even stand to look at you"

P.P.S. There is no extreme Left in this country that has any influence. Only extreme Right
 

Sebudai

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"Everyone else is a blind, unquestioning sheep," "Both sides are bad," "We need a strong leader."

Are there any other political tropes we can cover here?

So are you willing to say the same thing to the people who I was responding to? ..... That's what I thought. Your special need to "reel it in" only goes one way.
Who are you responding to, other than Kreugan and his one sentence post?

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I see a post where someone asked you for a citation, and you just responded by arrogantly asserting that they must be young, haha.
 

Grim1

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Yes we know, no one on the right is racist. No sirrrree. Especially when they pick their arch enemy Hilary Clinton over a black guy whose leadership and management skills are only in question because of "we're gonna make you a one term president, American Inventor"


P.S. "I can't even stand to look at you"
I'm only on the right compared to you. And out here in the real world there are just as many racists on both sides of the isle. And usually it is people like you who are the worst offenders. As you just proved.

There use to be a majority of politicians on boths sides of the isle that were in the center. Democrat or Republican was just a term of convenience. Since in practical fact they voted for the country more than their party.

It was people like you and the Tea Partiers who fucked this country up. You are both to blame for being fanatics and idiots.
 

Grim1

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"Everyone else is a blind, unquestioning sheep," "Both sides are bad," "We need a strong leader."

Are there any other political tropes we can cover here?



Who are you responding to, other than Kreugan and his one sentence post?

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I see a post where someone asked you for a citation, and you just responded by arrogantly asserting that they must be young, haha.
I'm sure you can do better than that. Look at any of Araysar's posts, and any other number of responses by the people in this thread. Your diatribe was a pathetically one sided affair that showed your bias more than anything else.

How old are you, pops?
Lol, and you can't even take your own advice.
 

Loser Araysar

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I'm only on the right compared to you. And out here in the real world there are just as many racists on both sides of the isle. And usually it is people like you who are the worst offenders. As you just proved.
I dont know what "real world" you live in, but the one I inhabit along with vast majority of the world agrees that racists are primarily on the right,not"just as many racists on both sides of the isle". By the way, its spelled "aisle". Not hard to prove when you see what comes out of Republican mouths on a daily basis and how they treat minorities.

There use to be a majority of politicians on boths sides of the isle that were in the center. Democrat or Republican was just a term of convenience. Since in practical fact they voted for the country more than their party.

It was people like you and the Tea Partiers who fucked this country up. You are both to blame for being fanatics and idiots.
People like me? Centrists? Like I told you, there's no true Left in this country. Just centrists, Right and Extreme Right.
 

Grim1

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I dont know what "real world" you live in, but the one I inhabit along with vast majority of the world agrees that racists are primarily on the right,not"just as many racists on both sides of the isle". By the way, its spelled "aisle". Not hard to prove when you see what comes out of Republican mouths on a daily basis and how they treat minorities.



People like me? Centrists? Like I told you, there's no true Left in this country. Just centrists, Right and Extreme Right.
No, the world you live in is a bubble where you believe the bullshit spewed by people who agree with you. You circle jerk each other into a frenzy of idiotic bigotry.