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Based on some of the reputation comments I'm seeing, there are some butthurt Canadians out there. Apologize if I offended you. If you guys like your socialized medicine, then more power to you. I don't really care if you're system is good or bad since I don't have to deal with it. I just see articles like the one below basic logic indicates if the quality was better in Canada, these people wouldn't be going outside the country to get health care.

More than 52,000 Canadians travelled abroad for health care last year, study finds | National Post
 
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Wait til you are old and dying.

My mother, who had good health care coverage, got put into in-home hospice care. My home. Ordered by a Doc from a non-profit hospital. Run by a non-profit organization. They were salivating. I canceled her own policy.

$10,000 a month was billed to CA Medical. Had a constant stream of nurses, maids, doctors, social workers, all sucking off the Medical teat. Free bed, medicine, oxygen tank, etc. The only thing that wasn't free was me. I won't describe what I went through. She lived a year like that. If you call what she endured, living.

The most money is spent in those last months, keeping alive, someone who should have been dead.
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So in order to cut costs you support the idea of cutting off healthcare to people who are terminally ill? If so who gets to make that decision?
 
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52,000 people is 0.15% of our entire population... Or 1 in 634 people...

That's what you're basing your opinion on?
 
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52k in a year isn't all that many.

1.1%, which means that the canadian healthcare system is adequate for 98.9% of the need. Or if you want to take a very dim view maybe 85 - 90%.

Honestly, that's not a bad report card. You probably can't hit 100% even though we aim for it.
 
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Rescorla_sl said:
Based on some of the reputation comments I'm seeing, there are some butthurt Canadians out there. Apologize if I offended you. If you guys like your socialized medicine, then more power to you. I don't really care if you're system is good or bad since I don't have to deal with it. I just see articles like the one below basic logic indicates if the quality was better in Canada, these people wouldn't be going outside the country to get health care.

More than 52,000 Canadians travelled abroad for health care last year, study finds | National Post
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Durrr, and 750,000 Americans travelled abroad for medical care in 2008, your point?

And I'm a "butthurt" dual citizen-- I have no favored bias either way. I'm just stating things exactly as they are.
 
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The notable thing, rather than the number, is that the percentage increased.

The question for that is... why were they going?

It's completely different if they're going to the states for experimental chemo therapies vs. they're going to the states for a good ol' nip and tuck.
 
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It's entirely credible that 0.5% of them are going to the states for silver injections and crystal therapy.
 
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Iannis_sl said:
It's entirely credible that 0.5% of them are going to the states for silver injections and crystal therapy.
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They could be going because they're Lebron rich. They could be going because they live closer to an American population centres than they do to a Canadian one. They could be going because they don't want to wait for treatment. It doesn't matter because it's a negligible percentage of the country's population.
 
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Quaid_sl said:
They could be going because they're Lebron rich. They could be going because they live closer to an American population centres than they do to a Canadian one. They could be going because they don't want to wait for treatment. It doesn't matter because it's a negligible percentage of the country's population.
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Well, it still matters. That 1.1% are going for some reason.

It might be a good reason, it might not.

It just doesn't matter all that terribly much.
 
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Durrr, and 750,000 Americans travelled abroad for medical care in 2008, your point?

And I'm a "butthurt" dual citizen-- I have no favored bias either way. I'm just stating things exactly as they are.
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Here is the difference. Canadians come to America because the quality of healthcare is better. That article I linked pointed out the main reason why. Americans go somewhere else for healthcare because in many cases it costs significantly less money in other countries.

The point pretty much everyone seems to be missing is that for the large majority of Americans, reformimg healthcare means lowering the costs while maintaining the same level of quality we already have. Obamacare fails to do that which is why the majority of Americans oppose it.
 
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Well, nobody ever accused Americans of being very bright on the whole, now did they.

You can't possibly maintain the quality you have now under a private system, but you can maintain 90% of that quality and get everybody the health care theyneed.
 
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How about you teach people not to go to the ER for a god damn cold or because their fybromygia is acting up.
 
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Well, nobody ever accused Americans of being very bright on the whole, now did they.

You can't possibly maintain the quality you have now under a private system, but you can maintain 90% of that quality and get everybody the health care theyneed.
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There is currently a lot of waste, fraud and abuse in the U.S. healthcare system. Legit reforms that addressed that would have little to no impact on quality. Most likely they would lead to improvements in quality.
 
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Rescorla_sl said:
There is currently a lot of waste, fraud and abuse in the U.S. healthcare system. Legit reforms that addressed that would have little to no impact on quality. Most likely they would lead to improvements in quality.
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Alright. But if you remove the profit motive from medicine, competition will decrease, and bring with it all the negatives associated with that. Individual practitioner motivation and even skill would probably decline as well as treatment availability.

America can't have it all, but they can do a lot better by their citizens than they currently are. Your healthcare system is the shame of your nation, just like Bieber is the shame of ours.
 
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That's weird I had cancer here.

Not my mother, not a friend, not someone I knew that told me some horror stories.

I had it.

I am not "rich" and I got through it just fine. The system took care of me. I didn't go bankrupt. I didn't cook meth. I never ever fought with the insurance companies about anything. I did what I was told and made no waves and had no complaints.

The nightmare that was Germany at the beginning though .....
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
That's weird I had cancer here.

Not my mother, not a friend, not someone I knew that told me some horror stories.

I had it.

I am not "rich" and I got through it just fine. The system took care of me. I didn't go bankrupt. I didn't cook meth. I never ever fought with the insurance companies about anything. I did what I was told and made no waves and had no complaints.

The nightmare that was Germany at the beginning though .....
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Dude... you've said quite recently that your household income is somewhere in the range of $170,000+ if I remember correctly. I don't think you're the best case study.

The U.S. Census Bureau reported in September 2014 that: U.S. real (inflation adjusted) median household income was $51,939 in 2013
 
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Dude... you've said quite recently that your household income is somewhere in the range of $170,000+ if I remember correctly. I don't think you're the best case study.

The U.S. Census Bureau reported in September 2014 that: U.S. real (inflation adjusted) median household income was $51,939 in 2013
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We went over the fact that Bernie has a net worth well exceeding mine and I wasn't allowed to label him as 'rich' either.

You also didn't take into effect that I wasn't working ... because of the cancer.

I paid $6k for my yearly cap and $400/mo in insurance. Treatment took 6 months. So to be cancer free I paid $8.4 and not a penny more.
 
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