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Blakkheim_sl said:
What kind of incompetent administration would hire such a company? Where does the buck stop?
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Dunno, what kind of incompetent company hires a PhD that forgot to include all their citation on their thesis? Because I've heard of tons over the years - including more than a few prominent people have admitted to such errors. (At least two MIT professors I know of for sure... and I know two MIT professors mind you...)

It's free material, it's considered PROPER to cite it, legally unless you're using it towards something illegal or for private gain (which setting up a public website is not considered to be either - it was part of the "gateway" stuff not the actual insurance company portions) I've never heard of it ever becoming a legality issue. It's just improper and impolite.
 
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You are absolutely right.
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yeah voting totally fixes everything, especially with how well informed socially integrated, holistic and non partisan the population is(sarc). that's why we constantly talk about how voting is often an exercise in futility.

this is more consistently reliable.

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Blakkheim_sl said:
Private sector: Massive clusterfuck happens? Find out what happened, who is responsible, fire their asses, find better people, fix the problem.

Public sector: Massive clusteruck happens? First deny the problem exists, once problem becomes overwhelming and obvious, point fingers and blame someone else, sweep problem under the rug, move on to next clusterfuck.
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If you can't see that they (and I too, although I've only been weighing in a little here) have been saying exactly the same thing and you're not... you're a little too myopic to continue living....

When someone at McDonald's fucks up making a burger you don't go after the CEO... you don't even go after the Regional Manager usually... the odds of the Store Manager are pretty slight as well...

You have a strange expectation for how much a President is actually hands-on with...
 
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Vaclav_sl said:
When someone at McDonald's fucks up making a burger you don't go after the CEO... you don't even go after the Regional Manager usually... the odds of the Store Manager are pretty slight as well...
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That is the person who should be held accountable sometimes, the larger the institution the more insulated they make themselves, it is an inherent problem of larger more monolithic institutions or corporations.

how many people here would love the the board members or larger corporations be held accountable?
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
who is wrong the briber or the bribed
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The briber being more wrong has been well established for quite a while - as with most things (including this argument Blakk has been pushing) - it's the root of the problem.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
That is the person who should be held accountable sometimes, the larger the institution the more insulated they make themselves, it is an inherent problem of larger more monolithic institutions or corporations.
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No... it... shouldn't...

I actually was dragged into court twice over my years with my company because of negligent employees that I had hired that idiots opted to go after me (deeper pockets) for hiring rather than going after the people that actually in one case damaged a vehicle being careless with carts and in the other got violent with a customer. Guess how long each of those cases even took before the judge laughed it out?

Did you guess opening statements? And I unlike the average CEO actually met these people and validated them for employment personally.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
well if you had a prolonged bad track record of hiring shitty people I would hope something would change.
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Those were two really bad hires in the end - and was over about a 18 month window between the two... I started vetting people a bit more and got the ownership to improve some methods of cart collection as a result - but was relatively close between the incidents.

And on bribery: 99% of bribery isn't to someone that takes an oath - most commonly bribed folks in my experience are inspectors for the various fields (OSHA, USDA, FDA, etc) and no oath is involved with any of them. As for lobbyists at the Congressional level, there's plenty of examples of people taking something from a lobbyist and still voting against them - there's no absolute quid pro quo so it's technically not bribery.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
That is the person who should be held accountable sometimes, the larger the institution the more insulated they make themselves, it is an inherent problem of larger more monolithic institutions or corporations.

how many people here would love the the board members or larger corporations be held accountable?
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for what? a bad burger?

you garglechimps have no fucking clue how to assess cause and effect, or risk or anything that really has to do with business. for all your talk about private enterprise - you are some of the most inept and least qualified motherfuckers I ever seen: garglechimp, bleedat, stonewall, merlin, blakkheim. etc.
 
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Araysar_sl said:
for what? a bad burger?

you garglechimps have no fucking clue how to assess cause and effect, or risk or anything that really has to do with business. for all your talk about private enterprise - you are some of the most inept and least qualified motherfuckers I ever seen: garglechimp, bleedat, stonewall, merlin, blakkheim. etc.
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What about the CEO who changes a company's business model to sell really shitty, expensive burgers, and then had the entire drive-through process modified and on big debut day, only 6 people were able to get said burgers over hundreds of drive-throughs because it was a complete clusterfuck and the new system didn't work. Do we blame the burger-flipper? Or, I suppose in this case you'd blame the builders of the drive-thrus.

Come on man, there's a big difference and that's a shitty comparison.
 
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I'm not sure how that comparison is valid because the burgers in question are high quality and inexpensive.
 
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OK, great. The burger doesn't matter. It still ends up being a clusterfuck and guess who's going to get the blame. Now, it may be different over there on Wall St. with you and the big boys, but in "normal" small corporations, Yeah, the CEO is going to be held responsible for not delivering. Even if he has a nice severance package, his reputation will be sullied and he'd be out of a job. The point is when he stands in front of the board and says he's going to change the company with his new drive-throughs, he's expected to deliver...wherever/whatever the failures are, he's responsible for keeping up on his baby he sold.
 
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I'll play your game, rogue

Why didnt the drive-throughs work?
 
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I'm a little late to this, Blakkheim is your current complain about the healthcare.gov website:
1. They didn't follow the GPL license in some of their code.
2. One of the VPs donated to Pres. Obama?
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My current complaint is that this whole fucking website (and whole fucking ACA for that matter) is a massive clusterfuck of epic proportions. I posted the article about the code theft as one issue with the incompetence with this website. I also posted another example article of the joke security features where people are seeing confirmations of other peoples shit come up on their own log in. Hell, if something like that where to happen where I work, people would be getting their asses escorted out the door.

There are many other examples though. They are obvious to anyone who doesn't have their head buried in Obama's ass (such as araysar).

The problem is, no one is being held responsible. These dumb asses on here are twisting logic into pretzels trying to blame anyone and everyone except with those that it truly falls with. This administration has had how long to get this shit up and running? This law was passed when exactly? Who has been held accountable? Who will be held accountable? Apparently no one. Do I think Obama himself is responsible for inputting the code on this website? Of course not. But he is responsible for putting the people in place who put this turd website together. Why the fuck does Sebelius still have a fucking job?
 
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Blakkheim_sl said:
My current complaint is that this whole fucking website (and whole fucking ACA for that matter) is a massive clusterfuck of epic proportions. I posted the article about the code theft as one issue with the incompetence with this website. I also posted another example article of the joke security features where people are seeing confirmations of other peoples shit come up on their own log in. Hell, if something like that where to happen where I work, people would be getting their asses escorted out the door.
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Really, the CEO would be escorted out the door for a mistake on the website? Or the people who built the website?

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There are many other examples though. They are obvious to anyone who doesn't have their head buried in Obama's ass (such as araysar).
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I disagree with President Obama on many issues.

Blakkheim_sl said:
The problem is, no one is being held responsible. These dumb asses on here are twisting logic into pretzels trying to blame anyone and everyone except with those that it truly falls with. This administration has had how long to get this shit up and running? This law was passed when exactly? Who has been held accountable? Who will be held accountable? Apparently no one. Do I think Obama himself is responsible for inputting the code on this website? Of course not. But he is responsible for putting the people in place who put this turd website together. Why the fuck does Sebelius still have a fucking job?
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"no one being held responsible" = the company who screwed up their part of site got fired and replaced with a company who did well with their portion of the website.

And as far as Sebelius goes, why should she be fired? Is she a programmer?



































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Oooh, fun. Games!
Doesn't really matter. Could be one thing, could be a factor of many. Let's say the software that tied in the customer's credit card to his prior purchases brought down the entire ordering system. Could be they built the drive-through lanes too small for anything but a smart-car to fit through. The CEO should be on top of it. Actively. Maybe try driving through one and making an order, talking with contractors, or at least getting a detailed briefing on those details from one of his VPs. When I was corporate VPs and Pres would come to my office all the time and get briefings on my clients or projects, and I'd pull up a screen and have them watch as they stood over my desk. Why? Because it was important, and it was his ass on the line. Obviously no one expects him to build the things himself or code the software, but yeah, he needs to make sure it works before launching with a multi-million dollar ad-campaign including NFL ads.

I'm not even arguing ACA here, just Araybros shitty comparison. But, since you asked (telling you anyway) :
To be fair, Obama himself SAID that the website WAS the ACA and would make it or break it. I think the ACA has some good components, such as pre-existing conditions and having a "basic baseline" of care, kids on until 26 (though this should be lower imo). It does nothing to tackle healthcare costs overall which was one of its touted benefits. It's rollout has been a disaster. The website IS the way 97% of people will not only enroll for a plan, but actually see the plans and weigh them. And for those who said you can still call in, they don't have anywhere the volume of phone support needed to handle it, plus, it wouldn't be using this awesome integrated system that is suppose to revolutionize things.
 
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Oooh, fun. Games!
Doesn't really matter. Could be one thing, could be a factor of many. Let's say the software that tied in the customer's credit card to his prior purchases brought down the entire ordering system. Could be they built the drive-through lanes too small for anything but a smart-car to fit through. The CEO should be on top of it. Actively. Maybe try driving through one and making an order, talking with contractors, or at least getting a detailed briefing on those details from one of his VPs. When I was corporate VPs and Pres would come to my office all the time and get briefings on my clients or projects, and I'd pull up a screen and have them watch as they stood over my desk. Why? Because it was important, and it was his ass on the line. Obviously no one expects him to build the things himself or code the software, but yeah, he needs to make sure it works before launching with a multi-million dollar ad-campaign including NFL ads.
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CEO should be on top of figuring out architectural issues and programming issues?

This is why everyone laughs at you morons.

So what should Obama have done? Went through healthcare.gov personally and registered himself for a health plan?
 
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