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BoldW
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The CEO should be aware of the architectural and programming issues, abso-fucking-lutely. He should be talking with the architect and understanding limitations and obstacles and make sure that the architect is on top of them. That's how it works. He makes sure the people under him are doing their jobs properly. That requires some active caring about it. Why do you think you have foremen or supervisors on a construction site? Why do the developers/builders go to the site to check on things and speak with the supervisors, because he then has to go and talk to the investors about it, who very well might look in on it as well. Investors just don't say, build it and cross their fingers that they aren't going to lose all their investment. They actively monitor it.
It would have taken him 5 minutes, yeah. Would have been a great photo op too. But he should have gotten more briefings. Maybe even a 15 minute demonstration from the contractors (or a recorded one that they gave Sebelius or anyone under her). If he has shitty people that can't tell him that website rollouts need to have infrastructure in place, thats on him for having shitty advisors and not actively challenging and questioning them.
Aryasar, you stupid Obama-cocksucker! Don't you know Obama coded the whole site himself?! Fucking libtard!!1
Blakkheim
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So you're trying to equate someone fucking up a burger at McDonald's to fucking up a website that is the central component of your signature piece of legislation, of which millions of people are supposed to utilize and rely upon to obtain their new (ridiculously expensive) health insurance? Fantastic analogy.
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I also think that there's a big difference between pushing for the idea of PPACA as President, and those who saw how it would be made into law (Congress) and how it would then be implemented (CMS/HHS?).
The entire idea of holding leaders responsible really only holds water if they are somehow personally culpable or if someone is getting scapegoated. For the code, of course that's ridiculous. For the "keep your plan" promise, that's more nebulous and while I can at least respect the complaints in and of themselves, to me that still seems a lot like a"read my lips: no new taxes"issue on a number of levels.
Loser Araysar
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You do realize that Obama manages a "corporation" of 2.2 million people and every time he takes a day off you guys call him a lazy American Inventor?
So should Obama be aware of all programming issues in all federal government information systems? What else should he be held responsible for? Military strategy and tactics? Pilot training? Janitor schedule at the White House?
You do understand that it would have probably worked without issues considering it was just 1 person creating an account, not millions at the same time, right?
Loser Araysar
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Please tell me why should Sebelius be fired over a poor implementation of a website?
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I never called him anything. But this was his signature piece, his legacy. You're saying it's OK to just sign an idea and forget about, and hope upon hope it turns out OK All right, I signed the ACA, it's the law. Glad that's in the past, let's move on to immigration reform...give me something to sign.
I never said he had to go talk to each of the 2.2 million people either. But yeah, I think he should be keeping an eye on his "big thing". Instead we have lies and obfuscation, which is no surprise.
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Loser Araysar
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Healthcare.gov was his legacy?
I thought that was the ACA. You know you can easily register for a health plan by picking up a phone. Like every federal program has been done since the FDR era.
Loser Araysar
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LOL, how is she responsible for it? Did she code it? I'm not seeing the cause and effect here. It feels like you just want to lash out at random people.
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But would it be the CEO or the retards specifically responsible? More than likely the CEO would be the one wanting people shitcanned, which is part of why you trying to twist all of this into some sort of anti-Obama campaign is laughable.
That's like the exact opposite of what really happened - you going to great lengths to try tying everything together in such a way that you could direct it at Obama specifically.
If you listened to any of the testimony given (I did) the one common thread was that if anything the site was pushed out too early.
You mean to tell me that Obama personally hired the companies responsible? What would be more accurate is that while Obama did appoint a few people, much of who is currently in place to oversee the contracts and do the actual work are several degrees removed from the President. You could say Sebelius is responsible, or any number of people who actually DID have some degree of personal involvement with it on a daily basis and I might buy it, but Obama? And even Sebelius is a stretch to be frank, but she is probably one of MANY that the 'buck' could have stopped at long before it reached the President.
People should just be honest and admit that they're going after Obama because of political bias. It's actually shameful to be honest.
You did this same thing earlier today - when you encountered resistance and people disagreed, you went straight to the personal attacks.
BoldW
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And are the phones staffed enough to handle over a million calls? I'm pretty sure if we tried we'd bring down that system. And how do I shop and compare plans? Or do I just call in, "Uuuh, yeah, hi Janiqua. Please sign me up! I'm signed up? Great, thanks!"
By the way, I have been pretty actively trying to log in, compare plans, and probably sign up since Oct 1...but guess what? 1/3 of the time I have, by law, to do so is gone. Fucking coders. They were given requirements, and fulfilled them according to contract, but didn't anticipate things the higher ups didn't tell them about because it's not their responsibility. They should be fired, unless they're Union.
Loser Araysar
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One of my friends in Michigan said he called, was answered to in 30 seconds and they calmly and professionally walked him through his options and he was off the phone in 25 minutes, having registered for what he said was a very nice and affordable plan.
Anecdotal evidence I know, but you dont even seem to have that much. You dont even KNOW if the phone banks are handling millions of calls, all you do is throw invectives and accusations at everyone along with Blakkheim and assume its "Janiqua"'s answering the phones. But no, I'm sure you dont call him a lazy American Inventor when he takes a day off. No, sireee
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BoldW
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Why do you keep bringing the N word into this? So, by your logic, Bush had no responsibility in Iraq or Afghanistan, right? He didn't gather the intelligence. He didn't plan the campaigns. He certainly didn't fly planes into the Towers causing overwhelming support for action. The failures all belong to the people under him.One of my friends in Michigan said he called, was answered to in 30 seconds and they calmly and professionally walked him through his options and he was off the phone in 25 minutes, having registered for what he said was a very nice and affordable plan.
Anecdotal evidence I know, but you dont even seem to have that much. You dont even KNOW if the phone banks are handling millions of calls, all you do is throw invectives and accusations at everyone along with Blakkheim and assume its "Janiqua"'s answering the phones. But no, I'm sure you dont call him a lazy American Inventor when he takes a day off. No, sireee
Loser Araysar
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Bush had responsibility for Iraq and Afghanistan. I wouldnt call Bush responsible for Battle of Fallujah though, or something like that.
You guys are acting like healthcare.gov is the entirety of the ACA, while in reality its a tiny portion. If the concept of the ACA itself fails, then you can blame Obama for that. A website not working for a few weeks and you're all losing your fucking shit already, LOL. Hey guess what? The website will be fixed. Can invading a country on false pretenses be fixed? Unlikely.