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Morrow

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I believe the idea is when you are incorrectly ranked too low, you win in streaks, quickly advancing you out of the lower bracket, until you start matching against people the same skill as you, at which point your ratio should be closer to 50/50, which keeps you right at the bracket you are skilled for. In theory.
I suppose. dunno, seems a bit flawed, but maybe not.
 

The Master

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Yeah, if you are at a rank where you are winning 50/50, you stay there. If you're winning more than 50/50, you should be advancing, and you do. Less than 50/50, you slide back. Works out very elegantly.
 

Morrow

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Fucking awesome. I had a 5 win streak and now a game is bugged with an opponent having an infinite turn. Now we get to play the waiting game to see who leaves first. ugh.

OMG WHAT THE FUCK. So I was just in a game with the above, 3rd turn my opponent is just sitting there looking at their cards for ages, and I go to make this post about the "waiting game" and then all of the sudden I hear sounds and then everything goes really quick and my opponent starts doing turns REALLY quickly, and I mean WAY quicker than is possible even if I was lagging (plus I was doing emotes with no lag, and looking at my cards etc) so even if my turn was timing out and then timing out even faster afterwards, it wouldn't have been that much. His turn was about 80 seconds long and then all the sudden he went through a full 7 turns in the next 20 seconds. That is impossible to be lag, and my internet was totally fine. Fucking hack. They better fix this shit wow.
 

Dandain

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If the goal is to use results to quantify your rank the system has to keep challenging its assumptions about where you belong. The only players who escape the 50% winrate, are the very top percentile. Everyone else wins about 50/50 over time - but you will still rank rank up when you consistently beat opponents the system believes you should split 50/50 with, then your winrate will subside back to 50/50 at your new rank and when you start to consistently over-perform expectations you rank up again. That's more or less the way all ranked matchmaking works its mostly a question with hearthstone if anything besides win/loss is taken into consideration and to be honest I'm not sure why it would.
 

Morrow

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Anyone know of a decent interactive online deckbuilder? It'd be really cool if there was a flash deckbuilder that was just like the one in game, but with more details. It doesn't make sense to me that the deck builder in game doesn't have a mana curve, drives me nuts. A good interactive deckbuilder with lots of statistics would be great. Is there one out there? I actually see Hearthstone being made into a webplayer game via a third party, allowing you to use any cards. I bet somebody will do it eventually and last for a while before Blizzard gets to em.

Finally had an opponent use the Elite Tauren Chieftan. Do both players always get the same card?

Edit: NMDeck Builder - Hearthstone

My ideal druid deck: (cept I meant to put in a Baron Geddon instead of the 2nd Novice Engineer).
 

Pyros

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Na card is random, I used Mind Vision earlier and got the card, then played it and got the Murlocs summon card which looked like a great pick with my Stormwind Champion, until the guy cleared the board and next turn killed me with fireball+rogues do it from behind with spellpower. So he got the nuke one. He didn't play his own tauren either. Card's pretty shitty tbh unless enemy gets call of the horde then summon one of the shittier mob. Pure RNG card.
 

The Master

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If the goal is to use results to quantify your rank the system has to keep challenging its assumptions about where you belong. The only players who escape the 50% winrate, are the very top percentile. Everyone else wins about 50/50 over time - but you will still rank rank up when you consistently beat opponents the system believes you should split 50/50 with, then your winrate will subside back to 50/50 at your new rank and when you start to consistently over-perform expectations you rank up again. That's more or less the way all ranked matchmaking works its mostly a question with hearthstone if anything besides win/loss is taken into consideration and to be honest I'm not sure why it would.
Who it matches you against is based on a hidden MMR not directly related to your rank. Was in the patch notes. But otherwise, yes.
 

nu_11

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I swear to god 2/3 every players in Casual are mages. (i.e. i abandon 2/3 games before the match starts)
 

The Master

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Well, I'm officially not playing Mage anymore... hit 60. Warlock, Rogue, Priest, and Druid for me....

Also don't know how often it'll come up, but pro-tip if you're running Doomsayer and they have a Sylvanas on the board (which has happened in every non-mirror I played today), kill Sylvanas. It'll take the Doomsayer and wipe the board start of their turn. Saves you a freeze and makes it undodgable.
 

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Got my first 12-2 arena run, playing a stupid as fuck rogue deck that I thought would get 5 wins tops. I started out with some 1-2 cc dorks early before Sprint popped up with no other good cards. Picked it, and proceeded to pick up almost ONLY 1-2CC cards and a second Sprint. In the end, I think 20 of the cards in my deck were 0-2cc, with only 5 cards at 5 or higher (2x sprint, 1x argent, 1x fen creeper, 1x assassin's blade). I also got two Cult Masters along the way.

Every game was basically me emptying my hand, hitting the minion limit, then using Cult or Sprint to get a bunch of cards when I was close to fizzling out. Fun, fast games.
 

The Master

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That sounds like fantastic deck... having card draw is super powerful. I've been contemplating 1x Sprint and 1x Preparation in my constructed deck. Not sure what I'd drop for it, I might be able to ditch the card draw minions. Plus it'd feed nicely into Van Cleef buffing.
 

Derpa

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Wow love losing 3 games in a row because of RNG.....all 3 mull and get high costs and then just draw high costs, then proceed to get steamrolled by board control.
 

Morrow

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qSo I just got a Blade Fury as my very first arena pick. Got to the 21st card without a single weapon, but had 2 Deadly Poisons. Was about to freak out, and then I ended up with 2 Assassin's Blades + another Deadly Poison. On top of 3 Eviscerates and some decent spell power and an Auctioneer with a Master of Disguise to hopefully permanently hide it. 11 spells in total. Hope this works. I too have 2 Cult Masters and a Sprint. Card draw is sooo fucking important. I think this arena has the potential to wreck
 

The Master

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Rank 11. Playing the Warlock rush game feels super unstable compared to control Mage, but can't argue with results, getting a lot of wins. So many people are playing Argent Squires, including me, that I put a Blood Knight in my deck. Has made a critical difference in every game I got it, oddly enough. Dropped a Harvest Golem for it.... was between that and Shattered Sun. Tough call.
 

Morrow

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Rank 11. Playing the Warlock rush game feels super unstable compared to control Mage, but can't argue with results, getting a lot of wins. So many people are playing Argent Squires, including me, that I put a Blood Knight in my deck. Has made a critical difference in every game I got it, oddly enough. Dropped a Harvest Golem for it.... was between that and Shattered Sun. Tough call.
Deck list? I can't believe spell power affects Headcrack and Sinister Strike. This is roflstomp funny. I know it's nothing original, but wow, better than I thought it'd be. Auctioneer + Headcrack is fun times.

Edit: Fuck: "You have already earned 100 gold today." Wow, guess I've been stomping faces a lot today. time to go to bed. Am like 18-2 right now with about 12 of those as Druid and 5 as Rogue, all spell power + auctioneer. So fun. Here's the Rogue deck, as well as x2 Backstab you can't see. Much better than I thought. Wow I've catapulted through the ranks today.
 

The Master

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Yeah, Spellpower Rogue is like one of their three archetypical builds.

Soulfire x2, Power Overwhelming, Argent Squire x2, Blood Imp x2, Elven Archer x1, Voidwalker x2, Demonfire x2, Faerie Dragon x2, Knife Juggler x2, Blood Knight x1, Harvest Golem x1, Shattered Sun Cleric x2, Shadowflame x2, Dark Iron Dwarf x2, Defender of Argus x2, Sylvanas Windrunner x1, Argent Commander x2, Ragnaros x1, Jaraxxus x1.

Also ran into a rank 9 Druid whose entire strategy seems to center around "draw and ramp till Rag is out, Faceless Manipulator Rag. Twice."
 

Morrow

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Yeah, Spellpower Rogue is like one of their three archetypical builds.

Soulfire x2, Power Overwhelming, Argent Squire x2, Blood Imp x2, Elven Archer x1, Voidwalker x2, Demonfire x2, Faerie Dragon x2, Knife Juggler x2, Blood Knight x1, Harvest Golem x1, Shattered Sun Cleric x2, Shadowflame x2, Dark Iron Dwarf x2, Defender of Argus x2, Sylvanas Windrunner x1, Argent Commander x2, Ragnaros x1, Jaraxxus x1.

Also ran into a rank 9 Druid whose entire strategy seems to center around "draw and ramp till Rag is out, Faceless Manipulator Rag. Twice."
Shit way out of my price range. I'm at 46 Rares, 6 Epics and 2 Legendaries via drafting. Have had a string of bad luck with packs.

Yeah I really, really want a Ragnoros for my Druid deck. Right now my only weakness is not being able to finish and that's only a small little weakness some of the times. Ragnoros and a Faceless manipulator would fix that in a jiffy.
 

Pyros

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That sounds like fantastic deck... having card draw is super powerful. I've been contemplating 1x Sprint and 1x Preparation in my constructed deck. Not sure what I'd drop for it, I might be able to ditch the card draw minions. Plus it'd feed nicely into Van Cleef buffing.
I don't think prep is worth it, cause it's pretty much shit unless you also have sprint, otherwise it's a dead card so if you sprint and draw it, it's pretty fucking useless. One sprint is great though, while it's dead for a while turn 7 isn't that far off and that's when you'd usuall start losing speed if you've been trading shit for board control, and 4cards is quite a large amount.

Got to 11 on my rogue then lost 2games in a row to fucking crazy decks. Said fuck it I'm starting another, went paladin, pretty good cards, went 4/3, 3losses in a row to some of the most unbelievable decks I've seen in a while(or just really good RNG). Last game I go first, 3 4+cards in hand, mulligan everything, 3 4+cards in hand again yay. He coins juggler, play a taunter on 2 and ignores my 1/1 hero power, I shattered it and kill taunter, he summons a raptor and argent squire, both juggler knives hit my shattered(yay), chip me some more, I get nothing again, he drops flametongue and juggler kills the 1/1 again, chips me again, I drop a 4/8 dragon, he bloodlusts and kills me on 5th turn. Oh, well then. Shaman the game right before dropped 3fire elementals on turn 6, 7 and 8 then faceless copied one that wasn't dead/debuffed on 9. Rough games.

Also last time I draft Divine Favor, I figured eh I might need some draws I'll pick that, other choices weren't very good either, I think it was a novice engineer and a buffing murloc, I figured I could get one card or more out of divine favor so I didn't pick the engineer. I had Divine Favor in my hand in like 6 of these games and I only cast it once, for 3 cards(and I still lost). I had it literally all game in my hand against a mage in the first few games and he NEVER had more cards than me the entire game.
 

Morrow

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I don't think prep is worth it, cause it's pretty much shit unless you also have sprint, otherwise it's a dead card so if you sprint and draw it, it's pretty fucking useless. One sprint is great though, while it's dead for a while turn 7 isn't that far off and that's when you'd usuall start losing speed if you've been trading shit for board control, and 4cards is quite a large amount.

Got to 11 on my rogue then lost 2games in a row to fucking crazy decks. Said fuck it I'm starting another, went paladin, pretty good cards, went 4/3, 3losses in a row to some of the most unbelievable decks I've seen in a while(or just really good RNG). Last game I go first, 3 4+cards in hand, mulligan everything, 3 4+cards in hand again yay. He coins juggler, play a taunter on 2 and ignores my 1/1 hero power, I shattered it and kill taunter, he summons a raptor and argent squire, both juggler knives hit my shattered(yay), chip me some more, I get nothing again, he drops flametongue and juggler kills the 1/1 again, chips me again, I drop a 4/8 dragon, he bloodlusts and kills me on 5th turn. Oh, well then. Shaman the game right before dropped 3fire elementals on turn 6, 7 and 8 then faceless copied one that wasn't dead/debuffed on 9. Rough games.

Also last time I draft Divine Favor, I figured eh I might need some draws I'll pick that, other choices weren't very good either, I think it was a novice engineer and a buffing murloc, I figured I could get one card or more out of divine favor so I didn't pick the engineer. I had Divine Favor in my hand in like 6 of these games and I only cast it once, for 3 cards(and I still lost). I had it literally all game in my hand against a mage in the first few games and he NEVER had more cards than me the entire game.
Man that sucks =/. Yeah Divine Favor is really random, but I lost a game earlier because my opponent got 6 cards with it against my heavy draw Warrior deck. That was painful. I only pick it if everything else is pretty shit. I am not a fan of RNG, as you can tell.
 

Pyros

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Man that sucks =/. Yeah Divine Favor is really random, but I lost a game earlier because my opponent got 6 cards with it against my heavy draw Warrior deck. That was painful. I only pick it if everything else is pretty shit. I am not a fan of RNG, as you can tell.
Well shit happens I guess, still got 80ish gold from it so not a big loss, and the new max rewards have been bumping my gold gains quite a lot, think I'm at 500ish or so now. Like I got 9wins earlier on a mage and got 280golds out of it, which is really nice. Just the fact that 7 is always 150+ does help quite a bit. Not much luck on the cards in pack front though, I got my first legendary, Nozdormu, and it's not golden so I'm not even sure it's worth disenchanting. I really wanna craft a Sylvanas but I'm still way fucking far from having enough shit to disenchant for it.