Hearthstone

  • Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!



    Go here and give us your nominations!
    Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!

Gavinmad

Mr. Poopybutthole
43,939
52,704
Had lethal next turn against a priest with an empty board. He Barnes out a Ragnaros that proceeds to ignore 6 minions and go to my face for lethal.

If I ever meet Ben Brode I'm going to beat him with a pool cue until he gets detached retinas.
 
  • 1Like
Reactions: 1 user

Il_Duce Lightning Lord Rule

Lightning Fast
<Charitable Administrator>
11,115
59,395
Had lethal next turn against a priest with an empty board. He Barnes out a Ragnaros that proceeds to ignore 6 minions and go to my face for lethal.

If I ever meet Ben Brode I'm going to beat him with a pool cue until he gets detached retinas.

You should flip a coin: heads you beat him with a pool cue, tails you sodomize him with it. RNG is good for you Ben!
 
  • 3Like
Reactions: 2 users

zzeris

King Turd of Shit Hill
<Gold Donor>
20,644
88,406
I have seen 7 Yoggs since the supposed fix. The only one that died right after the cast...mine. None of the others died at all. In fact they all killed me because the massive amount of board they gained destroyed me next turn. It's time for another game.
 
  • 1Like
Reactions: 1 user

Enzee

Trakanon Raider
2,197
715
I've got the play a friend quest, if anyone has one themselves, let's trade each other. enzee #1750.
Otherwise, I'll pick randomly from whoever is online tomorrow.
 
  • 1Like
Reactions: 1 user

Asshat wormie

2023 Asshat Award Winner
<Gold Donor>
16,820
30,968
mmm just went 12 to 5 in less than an hour on secret hunter. Good times. Rape train stopped by shaman of course.
 
  • 1Like
Reactions: 1 user

Origin

Molten Core Raider
874
773
Playing Questing Miracle rogue versus some homebrew priest.

Past turn 10, he clears my board. His board is clear. I'm at 28 health and have a bunch of good shit in hand. He's at 21 health. I drop Questing Adventurer, Dagger, Poison my dagger, drop 2 Arcane Giants, Conceal everything. I have lethal next turn even if he goes full health.

He drops Yogg. First spell, Yogg drops Mirrow Images. 6 targets on board now. Second spell, Yogg Brawls. Yogg wins the brawl. I concede immediately.

I dominated the whole game. Had a 99% chance to win. I SHOULD have won. Except i didn't because of RNGesus.

No clue how i didn't break my phone - which i was playing on.

I've barely been playing in the past while. I have no desire. The game is shit. However, for reference, i've seen 8 Yoggs in the games that i've played (i dissed mine) and he only killed himself once. 1 game was a terrible Yogg for the caster, 6 others were completely favorable.

The patch did nothing. And i see midrange shaman is just as strong. GG Blizzard.

Game is run by a bunch of incompetents. Shame.
 
  • 1Like
Reactions: 1 user

Mures

Blackwing Lair Raider
4,014
511
Try and make a fun zoo paladin deck to work on golden paladin. After about the 5th game I finally get a really good hand/draw against a control warrior. I bait out the first brawl and then flood the board only to have his 2nd brawl in his first 10 cards. /flipsdesk
 
  • 1Like
Reactions: 1 user

Famm

Ahn'Qiraj Raider
11,041
794
Everyone (maybe not here) was praising how they nerfed without destroying the cards for a change. Turns out that this approach doesn't actually fix the problems very well. Doesn't help that shaman simply has an embarrassment of riches with value cards.
 
  • 1Like
Reactions: 1 user

Valishar

Molten Core Raider
766
424
The nerfs were fine for what they were, slight adjustments which don't kill the cards like you mentioned. It just isn't nearly enough to fix the problem with Shamans. Shaman's have been strong for the past year, and been warping the meta since Old Gods. People forget but aggro Shaman is essentially a Wild Deck you play in standard, it's just two cards off since Shamans can use crackle there. Warriorstone a couple months ago was mostly because warriors were one of the two classes which could contest Shaman, and Zoolock was weak vs. warrior. So the meta devolved into differing warrior archetypes, hunters which only really beat warrior, and aggro Shaman.

Karazhan giving Shaman top tier early game board removal, combined with their existing early game board development, basically pushed out any Shaman counters. Ironically, the execute nerf probably was more of a Shaman buff than any of the other cards in the change list.

I don't think Blizzard is going to do anything else to fix them before the next set is released though. Which is a shame. If you look at Undertaker Hunter vs. Face Hunter after the nerf, it was definitely a huge change in power level, where Midrange Shaman pre-nerf and post nerf is practically the same. Too be fair though hunter match-ups didn't change very much back then either (Hunter still beat Miracle Rogue which was the #2 deck at the time). I guarantee that Shaman is still strong after the next set in december, and I have a sneaky suspicion they're still going to be powerful next Standard rotation as well. They retain their Karazhan stuff, and Thing from Below and the 4 mana 7/7, only really losing Trogg and Totem Golem.

But yeah, I'm also quickly losing desire to play the game. You get the feeling your decisions don't really matter when you get blown out by aggro who mulliganed well and play their shit on curve, OR you lose to Barnes grabbing a Ragnaros and other lovely RNG. But the worst thing for me is the lack of variety. What kills it for me is the fact that if you point to a format I can tell you what class 30% of your matches are going to be against.
 
  • 2Like
Reactions: 1 users

Ravishing

Uninspiring Title
<Bronze Donator>
8,456
3,577
Totem Golem and Trogg would be a huge hit. Aggro decks need great early game. Shaman was absolute dog shit tier before these 2 cards were added.

Shaman always had wolves/doomhammer/rockbiter/lava burst/etc.

They were a garbage class forever.. like ~2 years? They were never good until this aggro version.. basically Totem Golem + Trogg + Tuskarr.

Thing and Flamewreathed are good but they won't keep the aggro deck going, not by a long shot. They will see play in Shaman but aggro Shaman would cease to exist once the early game is crushed.

In fact, Shaman are going to hit garbage tier again if they don't get a replacement for Ele destruction and/or Healing Breeze too. Those 2 cards keep the non-aggro variants viable.

I don't think anyone expected the nerfs to completely change the meta or destroy aggro, but they did help a little, they were good changes.

The game definitely needs a lot of changes.. my 3 big items would be:

  • Tournament Mode (With Rankings)
  • Sealed Deck Mode (With Rankings)
  • "Classic" is replaced with an "Evergreen" set for Standard.
    • Evergreen set would be comprised of hand-picked cards from any previous sets, by Blizzard, to be used for Standard. This way some core cards (Lightbomb) won't be removed, thus destroying a class.
 
  • 1Like
Reactions: 1 user

zzeris

King Turd of Shit Hill
<Gold Donor>
20,644
88,406
Shaman is ridiculous and I don't care if losing a couple of the aggro cards will slow just one of the powerful decks down. I stomp face with aggro, wicked witch, any variant of midrange and even control. Considering how hard it is to find two good decks for multiple classes, it's beyond ridiculous. I'm not saying they should nerf shaman. I think it's what other classes should have; a healthy version of aggro, midrange, and control to pick from. What shouldn't be the norm...their aggro crushes other decks to where there is no true competition. Blizzard is really bad at testing their games. I have no clue why considering the incredible amount of money that comes in. They should have a huge testing group but instead....Ben Brode and couple buddies! That just isn't working.
 
  • 2Like
Reactions: 1 users

Deathwing

<Bronze Donator>
16,958
7,977
Internal testing friday afternoon fart around revealed that Purify at 1 mana was too good.
 
  • 2Like
Reactions: 1 users

Origin

Molten Core Raider
874
773
They are retards. This is clear.

The game has huge potential. The lore alone is a massive draw. I started playing mostly because of the Warcraft setting. And i'm sure they make a ton of money, but alas, like a lot of corporations that are sitting on "natural" goldmines, they let retards run the show. Hey, it's making a profit, right? "They must be doing something right" - logic.
 
  • 1Like
Reactions: 1 user

Famm

Ahn'Qiraj Raider
11,041
794
Trogg and Totem Golem aren't just important aggro tools, losing them will hurt the midrange archetype just as much. Right now midrange is far more viable than aggro anyway, aggro takes a huge hit from the rockbiter change. Without them the potential for crazy early game value curves falls off significantly. Spirit Claws has turned out to be pretty nuts, but that alone isn't going to provide strong early game that you need in this tempo driven vision Blizzard has created for HS. Its entirely possible that shaman dies back a bit and some other classes take over after the new sets and the rotation.
 
  • 1Like
Reactions: 1 user

Gavinmad

Mr. Poopybutthole
43,939
52,704
Glad the brawl this week is a simple one. Got the 5 brawl quest on Sunday and was like NOPE.
 
  • 1Like
Reactions: 1 user