Gavinmad
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brekk
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So I was thinking about this this morning. Why did they not release some counter cards for the new Gadgetzan archetypes?
Anti-Hand buff "Opposing player reshuffles 3 minions from hand into deck and draws new cards"
Anti-Jade "Destroy a Jade Idol, reduce jade counter by 2"
Anti-Potion "All potions in opponents hand cost 2 more"
I realize these don't directly impact the popular Meta decks, except maybe the Jade one, but I feel like the game could benefit from more specialized cards and a sideboard like MTG. Ooze is the only specialized counter I can think of, and that's because even without it's battle cry it's a 3/2 for 2. Make new cards Like Kraken "All pirates in play take 1 damage at the end of your turn"
Versus nerfing current cards, adding more tools to fight against different decks would be a lot more interesting. It would force people to decide between building a hyper focused deck, or or semi focused with room to contain utility cards to fight opposing archetypes.
Anti-Hand buff "Opposing player reshuffles 3 minions from hand into deck and draws new cards"
Anti-Jade "Destroy a Jade Idol, reduce jade counter by 2"
Anti-Potion "All potions in opponents hand cost 2 more"
I realize these don't directly impact the popular Meta decks, except maybe the Jade one, but I feel like the game could benefit from more specialized cards and a sideboard like MTG. Ooze is the only specialized counter I can think of, and that's because even without it's battle cry it's a 3/2 for 2. Make new cards Like Kraken "All pirates in play take 1 damage at the end of your turn"
Versus nerfing current cards, adding more tools to fight against different decks would be a lot more interesting. It would force people to decide between building a hyper focused deck, or or semi focused with room to contain utility cards to fight opposing archetypes.
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Famm
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None of those tech hate cards ever work out very well, Blizzard would make them too understatted and/or overcosted to work as comeback mechanisms. You know what would be great tools for this meta? Zombie Chow and Sludge Belcher. Bring them to evergreen and send some of the problematic classic cards to wild. Bring back Loatheb while you're at it IMO.
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Harrison, Black Knight, BGH, Ooze, Hungry Crab, Kezan Mystic
All tech cards that have seen play at some point in Hearthstone's life.
Just depends on the meta. 3 classes with pirates could warrant a tech card.
Also if Beneath the Ground wasn't rogue only I bet you'd see more classes tech it to counter Reno decks.
Could have a tech card "place 2 copies into your opponent's deck".
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zzeris
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I would include what Famm mentioned as tech cards as well, Sludge Belcher, healbot, and chow. The problem is related to your weekly card release solution. They don't update or change things with any alacrity. I know nerfing is a big deal...so spend a lot more time testing your product. Infested Tauren would have been a fantastic solution if the death-rattle slime had been a 1/2 taunt. They add retarded taunt creatures like a 2/1 for 1, a 3/2 for 2, and a 4/3 for 3 which shows they aren't willing to take the aggro problem seriously. Dragon priest is so effective because they do have a 2/4 for 2. I love how they don't want to neuter aggro but made Jade Idol which is a direct neuter to control. They have to get serious and honest about the game they want because they are saying one thing, and doing completely different things.
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I think people on this board overstate what exactly Jade Idol does. It definitely isn't a hard counter to control, it's a hard counter to fatigue. It's like a 50/50 to Renolock in my experience because that deck can have enough answers to last long enough to win. Control decks don't auto lose to it, they have to play differently and try to win the game. It's the decks that win by you being unable to win that are hard countered. Jade Druid isn't a fast or consistent deck either.
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Yea Jade Idol isn't a big deal.
You just need to play differently, and yea, you won't win them all.
It's no different than Freeze Mage going against Control Warrior. It's like 20/80 or something lol. I don't think any control deck will have that poor of a win rate vs Jade Druid. Fatigue decks are screwed though.
You just need to play differently, and yea, you won't win them all.
It's no different than Freeze Mage going against Control Warrior. It's like 20/80 or something lol. I don't think any control deck will have that poor of a win rate vs Jade Druid. Fatigue decks are screwed though.
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Famm
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The only ones that have really seen consistent play have been Ooze and pre-nerf BGH. Ooze because its cheap and well statted for the cost, although that Kibler argument is that its still a net tempo loss many times. BGH because it was wildly cheap for what it did and the meta was target rich, Boom primarily.
Harrison, BK and KM all are tough to slot in due to the cost and conditions. Despite Harrison and BK having huge potential swings, they are so meta dependant that they really haven't been consistent enough to be widely played in most metas. I seriously question that Hungry Crab ever saw significant play, I know there were times its been used a little bit but nothing worth noting in the grand scheme of the game's life. Any of those cards also turn into pretty weak/dead draws in the wrong matchups, especially KM.
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Famm
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Here's one I never ran into before or had heard of, but just happened to my benefit playing wild:
Kel'Thuzad doesn't resurrect minions killed by ragnaros • /r/hearthstone
Kel'Thuzad doesn't resurrect minions killed by ragnaros • /r/hearthstone
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