Heroes of the Storm

Lodi

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Really enjoying Zeratul. I feel like assassins can carry a pug more. I dig Sgt. but it feels like she needs a team to be anywhere near her full potential. I have yet to try a melee warrior - can they carry pugs at all like an assassin can?
 

Mures

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Really enjoying Zeratul. I feel like assassins can carry a pug more. I dig Sgt. but it feels like she needs a team to be anywhere near her full potential. I have yet to try a melee warrior - can they carry pugs at all like an assassin can?
I agree it seems you can carry easier while playing an assassin. Whenever I'm not playing one it feels like my team just can't kill anyone on the enemy team and I look at our hero damage and our top hero will be at (just pulling numbers out of my ass) 30-40k hero damage at 15m; whereas when I play valla I'll have ~60k.
 

Tenks

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Assassins, especially ones that can do 1v1 pick offs well, tend to be the best in pugs because pugs are so stupid they have no issues initiating a team fight despite 1-2 people being dead. So you kill someone and they're on the bench and their idiot Illidan still jumps in despite a 3v5 being their best possible engagement opportunity.
 

Arch

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There was a post on Reddit that they are going to stop selling the Founder's Pack, could see open beta soon.
 

Tenks

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There is really no money to be made in Heroes. All the pros are just people who play a ton.
 

Morrow

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GG shitty matchmaking. We were better players, dominated the first 15 mins, but we had no chance with that lineup. Really Blizzard? Really? So stupid. 3 tanks and 2 healers... riiiiiight...
 

Tenks

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Honestly the problem seems to be the ETC's pitiful damage output and Tyrande's. If ETC pulled his weight and also was in the 35k range it probably would have been a whole different game.
 

Tenks

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Battle.net launcher updated and it added this "beta" ribbon to HotS. For a second I thought I was in the SC2 LotV beta and almost shit myself. You're cruel blizzard. Cruel.
 

an accordion_sl

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So watching those esl playoffs, for tassadar I always saw them take the mana regen talent at lvl 1. I normally take the mana return per enemy hit on psi storm and tried the mana regen one game. It was obviously, definitely less mana in the early game and I didn't notice much a different between the two late game. These guys are "pros" so I assume I'm dumb and wrong in thinking the mana return talent is better, but I just don't see it. The mana regen is definitely far worse in the beginning(obviously quick match games are different from tournament play, but for example I don't have to leave lane ever basically in a 1v1 lane situation; in the game I tried mana regen I was oom early) and not noticeably better late game and to top that off with the mana regen you have to be mindful of actually trying to lane and getting globes. With the return mana on hit that isn't an issue. Is there something I'm just not seeing?
Pros in quotations is the important part of your post. The game is still very early in its competitive life and if we've learned anything from DotA/LoL, it's that all the early teams/players are absolutely terrible at the game. It'll take a long time to figure out optimal team setups, optimal decisions on each map and optimal builds based on team setup.

I basically take all the pro games very lightly and spend more time analyzing than assuming they know exactly what the best build/decisions are. There's a very high chance what they are doing will be seen as incorrect in 6 months time.
 

Gator

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Its 8:40 EST and I've been stuck authenticating for 5min now. Anyone else having this issue?

Received this message.. Error:There was an internal error while connecting to battle.net
 

Tenks

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Its 8:40 EST and I've been stuck authenticating for 5min now. Anyone else having this issue?

Received this message.. Error:There was an internal error while connecting to battle.net
Yeah they know about the issue. I believe it is only effecting HotS.
 

Dudebro_sl

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Honestly the problem seems to be the ETC's pitiful damage output and Tyrande's. If ETC pulled his weight and also was in the 35k range it probably would have been a whole different game.
You guys know ETC was a bot right? No chat bubble means bot. You'll never win a game with a bot on your team, and if you do, you were playing against the worst players on the planet.

edit: and of course right after I posted this I won a game with a bot on my team lol.
 

Mures

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Its not that difficult to win a game with a bot, so long as you know how to use/ping bots. Hell bots are better than a lot of players just because they will at least be with the team. The only map it is super difficult to win on with a bot is dragon shire because the ai to get the dk is really bad.
 

Arch

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If anyone doesn't troll the Reddit and is interested I found this to be a good educational watch, probably nothing new for moba vets but this is Tempo Storms healer (and shotcaller) watching a replay from their reverse sweep in the ESL losers finals and explaining what they were talking about, their plan, what they were trying to do it etc. I thought it was pretty cool to see what they are thinking about/how they time things and the analysis that goes into planning/playing these matches.

Tempo Dreadnaught breaks down Game 4 of ESL Losers Finals vs 2Arc - Sky Temple - YouTube

FWIW I think Dread is the best player on the team, Glau is talented for sure but I have watched them win tourney games without him (and still look pretty dominant) while the one time Dread was out they got embarrassed.
 

Tenks

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My only issue with the choice to analyze that game is that it was fairly one sided for Tempo. They had a 2 level lead almost the entire game.
 

Tol_sl

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Its not that difficult to win a game with a bot, so long as you know how to use/ping bots. Hell bots are better than a lot of players just because they will at least be with the team. The only map it is super difficult to win on with a bot is dragon shire because the ai to get the dk is really bad.
It depends on the bot too. The ultra squishy ones like nova usually just feed themselves into the teams meat grinder over and over