Heroes of the Storm

Neph_sl

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I tried the Sylvanas combo a few times when I got home and could not pull it off. Tried the Kerrigan thing too of blinking around and comboing Arthas, but that's a lot easier than the Sylvanas combo. That's probably why he's a pro and I'm scrub tier though.
 

The Master

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Tried it in the shop, could land it in the shop. I cannot imagine a scenario where I would recognize the use for that in a real game and nail it though.
 

Palum

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Tried it in the shop, could land it in the shop. I cannot imagine a scenario where I would recognize the use for that in a real game and nail it though.
Isn't that useful to harass early game when you are stuck against certain heroes? Seems like it would be the only way you could really get in there and cause damage without getting beat up. Of course mana issues but meh.
 

The Master

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Isn't that useful to harass early game when you are stuck against certain heroes? Seems like it would be the only way you could really get in there and cause damage without getting beat up. Of course mana issues but meh.
The combo involves your ultimate and a level 20 talent. Not an early game thing. You basically E backwards, starting your wave, Bolt of the Storm forward, pop Wailing Arrow, detonate wailing arrow, then hit E before the wave finishes so you teleport backwards to safety. For fancy points there is enough time to pop envenom off on a target as well.

But the idea that I would nail that in a game and immediately recognize the need to do it? Like, to recognize the scenario where all those CDs are up and that would be a game-winning play? Probably not, even though mechanically I can pull it off.
 

Palum

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Oh, sorry I didn't catch he was ulting too. I just thought meant to dance in and out to harass.
 

Neph_sl

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It's actually a lot more than bolt + arrow + tele back, if you play it back at 0.25 speed starting at 2:32, he does:

Haunting Wave backwards
Bolt of the Storm forward
Shadow Dagger
Withering Fire (at least twice, at slow speed you can see it decrease to 3, but it fills back up again because minions die)
Wailing Arrow / activate
Envenom
Haunting Wave teleport

He basically hits everything in the span of 2 seconds. I think the inputs are E, 2, W, QR, QR, 1, E but I dunno, I couldn't get it to work.
 

Tenks

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The combo involves your ultimate and a level 20 talent. Not an early game thing. You basically E backwards, starting your wave, Bolt of the Storm forward, pop Wailing Arrow, detonate wailing arrow, then hit E before the wave finishes so you teleport backwards to safety. For fancy points there is enough time to pop envenom off on a target as well.

But the idea that I would nail that in a game and immediately recognize the need to do it? Like, to recognize the scenario where all those CDs are up and that would be a game-winning play? Probably not, even though mechanically I can pull it off.
If a squishy is lagging behind and you recognize it I could see the combo having merit. But I think it may be too risky if you're ahead/even. Imagine blowing all those cooldowns and NOT getting the kill?
 

Needless

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Yeah the likelihood of ever actually doing that is slim to none lol but it's just about timing and execution.

It's like somebody going into traning mode in SF4 and doing 1 frame link FADC loop combos with your special meter on infinite. Just trainiing that execution~
 

Neph_sl

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I mean, the video is just what he does to warm up before an important match. It requires a lot of accurate button pushing. But I mean, if you can consistently do this combo, why wouldn't you to try to blow someone up in an organized fight? He does a similar combo with Valla too (2QW13R at 5:28) to blow Arthas up. Seems better than staying back an poking.

I mean, using your Bolt offensively like that is a pretty huge use of that CD, but in competitive play with an organized team, you may not need to bolt away?
 

Tenks

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You're assuming he has full vision of the enemy team. Bolt in and an unexpected CC is there you just made the world's worst play 2016.
 

Neph_sl

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That's true. I guess your scenario would be a better use of the combo, team fight winding down and a squishy is out of position.
 

Tenks

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That's true. I guess your scenario would be a better use of the combo, team fight winding down and a squishy is out of position.
My scenario was more about a team fight is breaking out so their reliable CC is accounted for but possibly their Valla is lagging to the engagement. If you won a team fight and you have both your arrow and bolt up I think at that point you've won the game anyways because that indicates your team shit rolled the others anyways so the combo would just be for swag points (and then you'd get asked why the hell you didn't fling your arrow DURING the team fight.)
 

Brand

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A little annoyed...I should know better, but if I'm the tank...Don't freaking engage as a DPS. Some Raynor in my last game kept engaging out of position and bitching at me about not supporting him. I'm the freaking Tank...Let me initiate.
 

Tenks

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Its like the exact same heroes vs the exact same heroes in this Heroes Rising league. God this game is in a fucked up state right now.
 

Rombo

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I love the game and sank i dont know how many hours into it over last year. But the so called '' meta '' is very stale and boring. Whenever you deviate from the norm, theres a shit storm. For exemple if i play aba in heroes league, theres a 50 /50 chance someone will throw the game away just out of sheer rage. The coolest games i play are not your typical raynor / kt or jaina / zag / go to tank and go to healer. That shit gets so old quick. Yet like i said, if you pull another draft, the game is thrown. Thing is i have no frame of reference since i didnt league of legend and the likes. Am sure there is the same '' you have to pick this or the game is lost'' mentality.

On another point, or kinda the same, it feels hots is suffering the same thing arenas in wow did. Its a fuckin cc / stun lock nightmare all over again. Just like the strat in arenas was pop your cc in rotation , yada yada. / yawn. Its prolly a blizzard curse at this point.
 

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On another point, or kinda the same, it feels hots is suffering the same thing arenas in wow did. Its a fuckin cc / stun lock nightmare all over again. Just like the strat in arenas was pop your cc in rotation , yada yada. / yawn. Its prolly a blizzard curse at this point.
That's a game design problem in general. Developers don't understand how powerful CC is in games. I used to fight with developers about how detrimental it was in raids when mob's used too much CC against the players.

It's also a very unenjoyable mechanic.
 

Neph_sl

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Well, Greymane is supposed to drop this week. If he's tuned properly, his kit seems like he could make a viable competitive assassin, which is something we haven't gotten since KT. AA poke in human form and then jump in to get the kill.