Hodj is worse than AIDS, at least Charlie Sheen doesn't have him
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hodj
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What Cad says
Rather it has to do with how the men who watch tranny porn and who are willing to have sex with transsexual/transgender people perceive them.
The porn industry is hilarious.
What I actually said
So it has nothing to do with how I perceive them, which, as I've said before, is XX = lets have sex, XY = You're a guy!
Rather it has to do with how the men who watch tranny porn and who are willing to have sex with transsexual/transgender people perceive them.
I've heard that too. I dunno if its true or not.
Probably part of it as well. Male porn actors struggle for roles in general, and that's where the "We'll pay 3x the normal rate for a man to do a gay scene" stuff comes from.
The porn industry is hilarious.
hodj
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So which part of "I'm not talking about my views, I'm talking about what research shows the views of the people who actually consume this type of content actually is" was unclear for you, Cad?
Cad
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So if I say. "Research shows guys on msg boards named hodj like it up the ass".
And you say, "Cad, do you really believe that???"
A reasonable reply is "I'm not talking about my views." ??
A reasonable reply would be either "yes I think thats reasonable because X and Y." or "No I don't because X and Y."
hodj
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Apparently in Cad's universe, me explicitly saying XX = Let's have sex, XY = YOU'RE A GUY! isn't clear enough for him, either.
I believe that the research accurately portrays the perception of the men who are consuming this type of content.
I do not believe that putting on a wig and getting breast implants makes someone a woman.
You do understand that these are two separate issues, yes?
So why the desperation to tie them together?
You realize that anthropologists can do things like research the phenomena of Bacha Bazi practices in Afghanistan, and report back the emic viewpoints of the individuals engaging in said activity in a fair and unbiased manner without actually condoning said activities, or agreeing with their practice, yes?
That's what we call being academically and scientifically minded, Cad. Something you could do with a little practice of.
You are missing the part where hodj makes these stances and then weasels out of directly subscribing to them.
He is claiming that anthropologists believe that and not that he does one way or the other. What he fails to remember is that he has told us before that he IS an anthropologist. So which is it hodj?
hodj
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Its actually not a belief claim, its a knowledge claim, justified and demonstrated true via peer review
Also
a_skeleton_03 and Cad both seem to be having a problem with the idea of perspective.
If I ask Bob "What is your perspective on X" and he tells me "My perspective on X is Y" and then I come to tell a_skeleton_03 and Cad "Bob's perspective on X is Y" apparently, in Cad and a_skeleton_03's world, that translates to "Hodj's perspective on X is Y".
The failure here is on your ability to comprehend what is actually being said, I'm afraid. Not on my communication.
Cad
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All I did was ask, hodj. You have this weird thing going in this thread where you like to say straight guys enjoy tranny porn and you're linking tranny actors and talking about how its "well known in the community" etc. I mean I don't give a fuck if you're a dickchopper. You're words on a screen to me. I just asked the question, you're the one getting all butthurt about it.
I mean its ok if you are into trannies. Everyone has their thing. Doesn't matter.
I mean its ok if you are into trannies. Everyone has their thing. Doesn't matter.
So if it is a knowledge claim and not a belief claim why are you weaseling out of agreeing with?
How come it's "that's not what I said, that is what anthropologists and sociologists say"?
It should just be you making it a statement of fact. Which is it hodj?
hodj
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I have this weird thing in this thread where I tell you the facts of what the research on the perceptions of "straight" men who regularly engage in dating trannies and watch their porn tell us.
Actually the only weird thing here is, again, your inability to tell the difference between my saying "This is what the research tells us Bob's position on X is" and me saying "This is what my position on X is".
That's literally the only weird thing here. That you can't tell the difference between me saying "Bob believes Y about X" and me saying "I believe Y about X".
hodj
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It is a knowledge claim that anthropological and sociological research demonstrates that the "straight" men who are attracted to transsexuals and who regularly consume transsexual porn seem to view them as just another type of female to mate with.
I don't have to agree or disagree with their perception to report to you what their perception is. Correct or incorrect?
Cad
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You shouldn't need to have a position on it. It should be irrefutable fact. Is it fact or is it not? Why are you dancing around? If it is fact then of course you believe it, right? You wouldn't go against pure fact would you?
hodj
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It is irrefutable fact that the men who regularly consume transgender porn and who are attracted to transgender individuals, who also report themselves as straight, perceive those individuals as another form of woman.
I don't need to have a position on it to state that is a fact. It is a fact.
Whether or not I agree with them is a separate position. I've stated that I do not agree with them. These are separate issues.
I'm not dancing around it. I've said it as plainly as possible multiple times now. You and Cad are the ones having trouble grasping the communication here, mostly because you're trolling and trying to equate me saying "Research indicates Bob's opinion on X is Y" with "I agree with Bob".
I don't agree with Bob. But I do agree that Bob's statement on Bob's perspective is accurate for Bob.
This is actually a topic that is brought up in cultural anthropology classrooms when the topic is on gender and sex, you realize that, correct?
hodj
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I actually completely agree with the irrefutable fact that Bob's opinion on X is Y.
I do not agree with Bob's opinion, however.
Except there is no logical fallacy. I wrote exactly what you said in a more concise manner without so many periods and carriage returns.
hodj
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I mean you can say it all day, but since you're claiming that I don't agree that the research's findings on the opinion of Bob are accurate in relating Bob's opinion on the subject X, when I actually do agree that the research is accurately portraying Bob's opinion, because you are equating my saying I don't agree with Bob's opinion, with me saying I don't agree that the research accurately portray's Bob's opinion, you're demonstrably wrong.
Let's try it this way:
Can I agree with the reseach stating that Bob has opinion Y on subject X without saying I agree with Bob's opinion Y on subject X, yes or no?
New thread title is 100% accurate.