Hodj is worse than AIDS, at least Charlie Sheen doesn't have him

Soygen · Nov 18, 2015

Abefroman_sl said:
Came here to complain about the new name change of the thread, just caught up and would like to thank the mod for the name change.

You're welcome. Always use protection when arguing with hodj.

hodj · Nov 18, 2015

Soygen_sl said:
You're welcome. Always use protection when arguing with hodj.

Its a_skeleton_03 and Cad who are the ones with the HIV in this thread bro.

Cad · Nov 18, 2015

hodj_sl said:
No shit sherlock but they play the female role in porn, and therefore get paid more comparably to that position.

Shemales make that JUST FOR POSING NUDE with no sex involved at all.

Here's What Female Porn Stars Get Paid For Different Types Of Scenes - Business Insider

Porn genres, Sub-genes and Laws around the world; Porn Pay Scale - Infographics

https://www.quora.com/How-much-do-porn-actors-get-paid

hodj_sl said:
I have a source but its to a hard core porn website forum and its a decade old. The wage scale has changed a lot in that decade because the demand has changed a lot in that decade for the stuff. The advent of the Tumblr age has made transgender stuff less taboo overall, so there's higher demand than there once was.

hodj_sl said:
Its sex industry work.

I thought this shit was common knowledge, when I made the post I didn't expect Cad to leap in here and start demanding fucking citations for what is generally, from what I understand, common knowledge in the industry.

The way the industry works is not the way we work out here in the real world.

If you present as a female in the porn industry, and do female roles, you get paid comparable female wages.

That's the thing. The only thing anyone has to go on is what the porn stars themselves report. There haven't been any major studies done on the subject that I'm aware of.

Tranny porn stars say they make wages comparable to females in the industry.

Shemales in the industry are treated like females, so that's probably why its hard to find anything specific about shemales. They're lumped in with the female rates.

hodj_sl said:
It is irrefutable fact that the men who regularly consume transgender porn and who are attracted to transgender individuals, who also report themselves as straight, perceive those individuals as another form of woman.

equate me saying "Research indicates Bob's opinion on X is Y" with "I agree with Bob".

This is actually a topic that is brought up in cultural anthropology classrooms when the topic is on gender and sex, you realize that, correct?

Oh ok, this is the first we're hearing of the classrooms. Also, you previously in this thread in no way stated "research indicates" you said "SHEMALES ARE FEMALES IN PORN BRO LAWL"

Before, your sources were "common knowledge in the industry" and "hard core porn forums" and "I have sources but I'd get banned for posting them in general."

I guess it's ok if you're learning about it in tranny class.

hodj · Nov 18, 2015

Cad_sl said:
Oh ok, this is the first we're hearing of the classrooms.

Before, it was "common knowledge in the industry" and "hard core porn forums" and "I have sources but I'd get banned for posting them in general."

I guess it's ok if you're learning about it in tranny class.

Cad is now conflating two separate issues.

The common knowledge in the industry is, in fact, that trannies make more than gay porn actors. That was my original claim.

The classroom statement is regarding the research on "Straight" male attraction to transgenders.

I'm also a member, as I've pointed out before, of several academically inclined anthropological groups on facebook, and they post quite a bit on all sorts of subjects relating to gender, sex, and pretty much all other anthropologically relevant topics, including peer reviewed articles, news articles, etc. and this is the common understanding of the issue in those groups as well.

Anthropology is a broad field, Cad. It touches on everything from cultural issues, like sex and gender, to archaeological issues, to issues such as the Homo Naledi finds reported recently, etc.

It should come as no surprise that people engaged in that sort of academic community are exposed to a broad body of topics, including subjects such as the pornography industry and how it relates to our cultural perceptions.

Adebisi · Nov 18, 2015

You bitches have activated Hodj's posting loop function. He will just keep posting until Kentucky is welcomed as a northern state.

a_skeleton_03 · Nov 18, 2015

Barraco Bisi_sl said:
You bitches have activated Hodj's posting loop function. He will just keep posting until Kentucky is welcomed as a northern state.

He will do anything to try and erase him being caught in retardation. You know you reached scorched earth and you have won when he starts posting in a frenzy like this.

Hodj is supposedly and anthropologist and anthropologists have declared a fact. Hodj though doesn't agree with that fact despite him being an anthropologist. He operates on feels data instead.

Cad · Nov 18, 2015

hodj_sl said:
The common knowledge in the industry is, in fact, that trannies make more than gay porn actors. That was my original claim.

Well you also claimed they were the female in TS movies, which is why they made more. Then you talk about how straight guys who like trannies see them as female. I'm just putting 2 and 2 together here.

hodj_sl said:
The classroom statement is regarding the research on "Straight" male attraction to transgenders.

And you perceive yourself as straight right?

hodj_sl said:
I'm also a member, as I've pointed out before, of several academically inclined anthropological groups on facebook, and they post quite a bit on all sorts of subjects relating to gender, sex, and pretty much all other anthropologically relevant topics, including peer reviewed articles, news articles, etc. and this is the common understanding of the issue in those groups as well.

Interesting you didn't post any of these sources and instead went "it's a hard core porn forum and its a decade old."

hodj_sl said:
Anthropology is a broad field, Cad. It touches on everything from cultural issues, like sex and gender, to archaeological issues, to issues such as the Homo Naledi finds reported recently, etc.

It should come as no surprise that people engaged in that sort of academic community are exposed to a broad body of topics, including subjects such as the pornography industry and how it relates to our cultural perceptions.

Indeed it does come as no surprise that a guy interested in trannies manages to find the tranny related anthropology literature. On a hard core porn forum 10 years ago.

No surprise at ALL sir.

hodj · Nov 18, 2015

I'm just waiting for them to acknowledge that attempts to slander me as a tranny fapper because I accurately reported to them what the research shows how actual tranny fappers perceive trannies was nothing but egregious trolling and shitposting, then I'll be done here.

It seems pretty clear to me: You can accurately report on someone's opinion on a subject without actually holding that view.

For instance, I think we all know Merlin not the biggest Barack Obama supporter in this community (for example).

I can report that research shows that Merlin's opinion of Barack Obama is that he is a shitty president, without holding the same viewpoint, correct?

If I say "Merlin does not like Barack Obama" does that equate to "Hodj does not like Barack Obama"?

Of course not.

So why when I say "Research indicates that tranny fappers tend to view trannies as another type of woman" does that become, in Cad and a_skeleton_03's mind, the same as me saying "Hodj views trannies as another type of woman"?

I think the real reason they leap to that conclusion is because they're a little insecure with their own sexualities, frankly.

Soygen · Nov 18, 2015

Nothing wrong with being a tranny fapper. I wish this thread was started in SS, so I could be tranny fapping right this minute.

Cad · Nov 18, 2015

Hahahhahaha hodj went right to the "insecure with their own sexuality" to explain why he likes trannies. LOL

This is too good.

a_skeleton_03 · Nov 18, 2015

Soygen_sl said:
Nothing wrong with being a tranny fapper. I wish this thread was started in SS, so I could be tranny fapping right this minute.

Yeah this has zero to do with whether or not you fap to trannies hodj. You are a progressive dude, maybe you do, maybe you don't.

The only thing I am commenting on is your feels data you are subscribing to. You are too worried someone might question your sexuality to agree with FACTS that are irrefutable according to your own profession.

I have been to Pattaya, and there are some attractive shemales there for sure. A beautiful one cut my hair and he or she did a great job.

hodj · Nov 18, 2015

Cad_sl said:
Well you also claimed they were the female in TS movies, which is why they made more.

See, again, you make the same error. What I reported was that the INDUSTRY perceives them as females, hence why they make more money. That for pay in the industry, it is not relevant whether you have a penis or vagina, but rather whether you take on the role of the female or male, that garners more pay.

Then you talk about how straight guys who like trannies see them as female. I'm just putting 2 and 2 together here.

Actually what you're putting together here is 2 and apple to equate 60.

And you perceive yourself as straight right?

I don't think I've ever said what I perceive my sexuality to be in this community. I'm a happily married male with a penis who is married to a female with a vagina.

Indeed it does come as no surprise that a guy interested in trannies manages to find the tranny related anthropology literature.

See? There you go equating me pointing out what the research indicates as being equivalent to me saying I agree with it.

You seem to be having a very hard time grasping that there is a very large difference between the two. I think the problem, as I said, is your insecurity with your sexuality, not me with mine.

hodj · Nov 18, 2015

Cad_sl said:
Hahahhahaha hodj went right to the "insecure with their own sexuality"to explain why he likes trannies. LOL

There's that strawman again.

a_skeleton_03_sl said:
Yeah this has zero to do with whether or not you fap to trannies hodj. You are a progressive dude, maybe you do, maybe you don't.

The only thing I am commenting on is your feels data you are subscribing to. You are too worried someone might question your sexuality to agree with FACTS that are irrefutable according to your own profession.

I've said I agree with the fact that the research indicates that the straight men who are attracted to trannies perceive them as females.

The research does, in fact, indicate that the straight men who are attracted to trannies perceive them as females.

What part of this are you failing to grasp here, a_skeleton_03?

I can literally do this all day.

Picasso3 · Nov 18, 2015

'Through the travail of ages,
midst the pomp and toils of war,
have I fought and strove and perished,
countless times among the stars.
As if through a glass and darkly,
the age old strife I see,
when I fought in many guises and many names,
but always hodji'" *

Cad · Nov 18, 2015

hodj_sl said:
What I reported was that the INDUSTRY perceives them as females, hence why they make more money. .

Just for posterity, this is false. You said this in your own voice, not moderated by some "industry" descriptor.

hodj_sl said:
No shit sherlock but they play the female role in porn, and therefore get paid more comparably to that position.

hodj_sl said:
Immersing ones self in the culture doesnt mean actually engaging in the activities.

lol

hodj · Nov 18, 2015

Cad_sl said:
Just for posterity, this is false. You said this in your own voice, not moderated by some "industry" descriptor.

All I can say about this post is that is some grade A desperation twisting in the wind by you Cad.

Really, you've sunk low in this debate trying to drag yourself out of this pit you've dug for yourself.

That entire post is in reference to how the industry and the shemale porn actor interact. Just because I didn't explicitly use the word industry there changes nothing about that sentence, in any way.

IRT your edit:

Lolwut are you even trying to imply here?

Gonna have to explain that shit because its so far beyond comprehensible I think we would require a super computer and a few billion years of processing time to translate that shit.

Abefroman · Nov 18, 2015

Maybe Hodj is gonna come out as a tranny porn star named Kentucky Jones.

Soygen · Nov 18, 2015

Borzak · Nov 18, 2015

So slightly back on topic. How many lawsuits is he going to face now? Bree Olson said on Howard Stern yesterday that she had sex with Charlie for a year after he was diagnosed and he didn't tell her. Many times it was unprotected sex. That in itself seems batshit crazy with a pornstar regardless of being diagnosed with HIV.

hodj · Nov 18, 2015

Here's a decent blog post by a professor of behavioral addiction on the subject verifying what I've said

Transgender sexual attraction | drmarkgriffiths

The reasons for attraction differ from one person to another but a recent 2011 paper by Dr. Jeffrey Escoffier in the journal Studies in Gender and Sexuality highlightsthat the exoticism of the transgendered individual can be a primary attraction and that such people are "often both hyperfeminine in appearance and sexual aggressive". He claimed that the phenomenon is fairly new and claims that the first known cases occurred in 1953 following the first case of male-to-female sex change (i.e., Christine Jorgensen). Others may be attracted to what transgendered individuals represent and the way they challenge male/female sexual orthodoxy.

However, a 2008 qualitative study in the journal AIDS and Behavior led by Dr. Don Operario examined men who have sex with transgender women (or MSTGWs as they termed them).Operario and his colleagues conducted in-depth semi-structured individual interviews with 46 MSTGWs living in San Francisco. Approximately three-quarters of those they interviewed described themselves as heterosexual or bisexual. They reported great diversity in the ways MSTGWs explained their sexual orientation, and reported there was "no consistent patterns between how men described their sexual orientation identity versus their sexual behavior and attraction to transgender women". As one of their interviewees said: "I like women with dicks. I like tits and I like dicks.Something erotic about getting fucked by someone who is a woman".

A 2010 sociological study by Dr. Martin Weinberg and Dr. Colin Williams examined men who were sexually interested in trans women (MSTW) in the Journal of Sex Research. In their study, trans women were defined as genetic males who used estrogen to feminize their body but retained their penis.They examined the nature of MSTW's sexual attraction towards trans women, and then examined how this related to their sexual orientation identity. Their main finding was that those MSTWs who identified as heterosexual tended to gloss over the fact that the trans woman had a penis, while the bisexually identified MSTWs were more likely to incorporate the trans woman's penis into the sexual experience.

For whatever reason, straight men who are attracted to transgender individuals tend to perceive them as, essentially, just another type of female to mate with. I imagine its related to high levels of testosterone, as I stated earlier, leading to their desire to mate overriding their other senses in regards to being turned off by a penis.

Human behavior and cognition is a strange beast.

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