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That looks like a nice color. Also, another thing I learned when redoing our interior is that Sherwin Williams very often has 30% off sales and their pricing direct from the SW store was wwwaayyy better than HD or Lowes. Our SW store is hidden behind a bunch of other stuff and pretty small so had honestly completely forgotten it existed. Even for samples just to test sections of the wall it was a better deal getting them direct.
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Yes that's where I go too. Only thing is for some reason Lowe's has primer way cheaper, so gone there.
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After reading Onoes used car thread, I figure I can get some advice here.
I need to renovate my mom's kitchen. Nothing fancy, new cabinets, counters, sink, and lights. The problem is the subfloor by the sink is rotting and def need replacement.
Went to a kitchen redesign specialialst and got quoted 60k. I figure thats the highend.
Got another contractor coming tomorrow. Im terrible at negotiating and im sure good salesmen sees me as an easy mark. Anything i should lookout for when working with a contractor?
I need to renovate my mom's kitchen. Nothing fancy, new cabinets, counters, sink, and lights. The problem is the subfloor by the sink is rotting and def need replacement.
Went to a kitchen redesign specialialst and got quoted 60k. I figure thats the highend.
Got another contractor coming tomorrow. Im terrible at negotiating and im sure good salesmen sees me as an easy mark. Anything i should lookout for when working with a contractor?
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60K without appliances? Jesus. Obviously there's so many variables it's impossible to say anything without details.
Contractors I generally look for good reviews, all quality people I interact with through the quote process, attention to detail and an estimator/owner that knows that they're talking about. Unfortunately most contractors are shit these days, so it's not easy avoiding some.
I'd start by getting them to explain to you the benefits of materials and options. If they're just pushing random crap "that looks nice" then that's a red flag.
Hopefully I don't have to redo a kitchen anytime soon. But I have a feeling I'd end up doing it myself with preconstructed cabs, flooring and lighting but hire a countertop guy.
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Siliconemelons
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"Repairing a sub floor" really sounds complicated and expensive - coming from the mouth of a contractor.
Its plywood
If you are re-doing the entire kitchen, and flooring... you tear everything out... you cut out the bad floor, plywood + hammer + nails - you just /replaced your sub-floor/ -woohoo. Just go floor joist to floor joist - and you don't have to work about adding braces or anything as if you were just trying to cut out a small part.
Now obviously there are tons of other factors, like why was it rotting - was it just leaks throughout the years from the normal plumbing issues here and there... is there something bad under it? It is not level? Then there are other factors.
How big is the kitchen to get to 60k? Sheesh- I have not watched any home shows lately - but while I had my wife at the ER they had on "The Flip Off" - and the one dude and his wife spent 100k on a kitchen and that was super high end & everything custom, walls moved, and the attached dining room + fire place + walls - all flooring- etc etc etc and in CA and "uppity up" ... so 60k to me is insane, even with Appliances.
I just got a complete kitchen appliances as mentioned earlier, all LG -$2,600 - French Door Fridge, Induction Range, Dishwasher and Over Range Microwave. Got all spooked by the "LG compressor" thing so I bought the extended warranty, so that added like 200$ or so.
Anywho - along with new stuff, I have designed an entire new kitchen - Ikea designer has it at 8k and I got a quote from a kitchen remodeling lady - 13k - an that includes some ceiling work to re-texture as I would remove a drop down ceiling (yay, the 70's....) - the difference between 8k for "the stuff" from ikea and 13k for her to do it... 5k... I can put in a lot of work to make up that 5k... anywho... I say, get more quotes, like at least 3.
Its plywood
If you are re-doing the entire kitchen, and flooring... you tear everything out... you cut out the bad floor, plywood + hammer + nails - you just /replaced your sub-floor/ -woohoo. Just go floor joist to floor joist - and you don't have to work about adding braces or anything as if you were just trying to cut out a small part.
Now obviously there are tons of other factors, like why was it rotting - was it just leaks throughout the years from the normal plumbing issues here and there... is there something bad under it? It is not level? Then there are other factors.
How big is the kitchen to get to 60k? Sheesh- I have not watched any home shows lately - but while I had my wife at the ER they had on "The Flip Off" - and the one dude and his wife spent 100k on a kitchen and that was super high end & everything custom, walls moved, and the attached dining room + fire place + walls - all flooring- etc etc etc and in CA and "uppity up" ... so 60k to me is insane, even with Appliances.
I just got a complete kitchen appliances as mentioned earlier, all LG -$2,600 - French Door Fridge, Induction Range, Dishwasher and Over Range Microwave. Got all spooked by the "LG compressor" thing so I bought the extended warranty, so that added like 200$ or so.
Anywho - along with new stuff, I have designed an entire new kitchen - Ikea designer has it at 8k and I got a quote from a kitchen remodeling lady - 13k - an that includes some ceiling work to re-texture as I would remove a drop down ceiling (yay, the 70's....) - the difference between 8k for "the stuff" from ikea and 13k for her to do it... 5k... I can put in a lot of work to make up that 5k... anywho... I say, get more quotes, like at least 3.
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Captain Suave
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Floors are scary until you open them up and realize it's just 2x6's and plywood. I just reno'd an old leaking laundry area that had rot in it down to the joists (pics a few pages back). I fixed it with a buddy for like $200 in lumber, two 1.5-ton harbor freight jacks, a 3 ft level, a Saturday's work, and a case of beer. If you're otherwise demoing the entire space fixing the floors should be nearly free.
It's the flooring surface, walls, cabinets, tile, plumbing, electric, etc, and associated labor that are the expensive part.
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The subfloor is damaged from leaks from dishwasher. I think my parents got someone from their church to hook it up. Im pretty sure its only bad by the sink. Kitchen is 13x10.
The first contractor said there are things we have to bring up to code such as an outlet behind the stove. Said it will take 7-9weeks cause we have to wait for inspectors.
Mom's house is in a historically very jewish town rigjt outside chicago so maybe the village hall is shitty and greedy, but 7-9 weeks seem so fucking long. Fucker actually told me one of his clients got an airbnb during remodeling. Yeah, my moms not doing that.
I was told youre supposed to get permit even if you change a toilet, true?
The first contractor said there are things we have to bring up to code such as an outlet behind the stove. Said it will take 7-9weeks cause we have to wait for inspectors.
Mom's house is in a historically very jewish town rigjt outside chicago so maybe the village hall is shitty and greedy, but 7-9 weeks seem so fucking long. Fucker actually told me one of his clients got an airbnb during remodeling. Yeah, my moms not doing that.
I was told youre supposed to get permit even if you change a toilet, true?
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Bro 13x10 for 60k? Jesus Christ.
Most on the level contractors are going to pull permits when they know its going to come up. If you just live in a shitty area that requires permits on everything, you're stuck between getting a professional contractor vs a handy man job. Though at that price I might start looking at a handyman.
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YouTube some stuff…
I have never known a stove to not have its own plug wire and breaker… what is the code? And how is what is there not up to snuff?
Mine is just a wire with the female plug hanging out of the wall (yay 70s) so perhaps they would want it mounted “in the wall” - okay 15$ and 15 min with a old work electrical box, dry wall saw, new NEMA outlet and a little know how… now if anything needs to be done, its “up to code”
Are you moving locations of any big appliance? If not… I really do not see how you get to 60k… if your not relocating water drain and power…
Go to IKEA Kitchen Planner
I have been on a few custom kitchen sites and consultations and ikeas tool is the same I have seen others use and better than others.
Heck, ikea cabs ain’t half bad either- even if you pay for shipping and assembly - put them in yourself and pay for electrical and plumbing and custom counter- your going to be half that estimate at the high end.
I have never known a stove to not have its own plug wire and breaker… what is the code? And how is what is there not up to snuff?
Mine is just a wire with the female plug hanging out of the wall (yay 70s) so perhaps they would want it mounted “in the wall” - okay 15$ and 15 min with a old work electrical box, dry wall saw, new NEMA outlet and a little know how… now if anything needs to be done, its “up to code”
Are you moving locations of any big appliance? If not… I really do not see how you get to 60k… if your not relocating water drain and power…
Go to IKEA Kitchen Planner
I have been on a few custom kitchen sites and consultations and ikeas tool is the same I have seen others use and better than others.
Heck, ikea cabs ain’t half bad either- even if you pay for shipping and assembly - put them in yourself and pay for electrical and plumbing and custom counter- your going to be half that estimate at the high end.
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You're "supposed" to do lots of things. Does anyone actually pull a permit for a toilet replacement? No. YMMV for stuff like minor electrical. I've done it with and without permits depending on size of the job. I'm building cabinets for my bathroom right now which technically needs to be permitted. That idea can fuck right off.
Most of that is going to be delays between the various sub-contractors. My local inspectors schedule on 48 hours notice. Some quick googling says Chicago is four days lead time. (Granted, you'll need several rounds of inspection.) Two months is actually fast for a big remodel. My bathroom took nearly five months, though we did take it down to studs, reframe an exterior wall/window, move all the plumbing and electric, etc.
A lot of contractors will work on the down-low, so it might be worth asking around to see if that alters the timeline.
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No idea how a new A/C sub panel and EV charger got in my 1970's house whose only permit pull the last 2 decades are for a few window replacements and a roof.
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There are some places that require an electrical inspection for replacing a light switch.
Proudly never pulled a permit. I have installed a lot of temporary parking and very robust redecoration on the interior.
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Yeah and also Florida is going to be fairly easy "As-is" sale level for a long while longer, especially my area. Stupid house pricing lulz...
EV charger can be ripped out easy, and it then would free up space for the AC unit to be put back into the main panel if anything cries around it. but it all is indeed done "to code" if any inspector wants to look at it.
EV charger can be ripped out easy, and it then would free up space for the AC unit to be put back into the main panel if anything cries around it. but it all is indeed done "to code" if any inspector wants to look at it.
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is it just the plywood or the joists are damaged? this is subfloor only repair w/ reinforcement
while this is extreme rotting and fix
if your situation is the first one, easy
second one? yea pro
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Jesus fuck, they let that go for decades. That kind of shit is why I do inspections of my crawlspace a couple times a year.
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, you and I could do that subfloor. Its not hard for people that have at least a small bit of common sense. I'd still hire out some randoms to haul the trash off and clean up the area though. Fuck all that bending over. I usually like that dudes videos, too. But he's making shit harder on himself... and I dont know why. Just take the door off the hinges instead of sliding the subfloor up under it? Take the fucking cheap ass shoe mold off instead of having to tap it in? Especially that because that shit is definitely getting pulled off on the floor install. The other part I cant understand about that video is how did the place get that bad off with the obvious remodels done to the rest of the house. You can tell that all the sheetrock has been redone everywhere else. ... and man, does it hurt my soul a bit to see that 30-40 year old wood flooring just be discarded like trash.
Chicago Im sure has some really vapid / vain ass shit when it comes to inspections / standards.
But just from an outside perspective, not knowing what you need and what you dont need - you should get the contractors to separate each job into itself. If they say something like "Well... we have to do this if we're going to do that because its required if any work is to be done" then.. you nod your head, and continue to ask them to itemize each cost. That way you're at least comparing apples to apples. Ive worked with a few contractors, and I even do it myself - In other words, Ill be taking care of the main job with someone. But Ill also have a good idea, or get an estimate from a buddy, on another job that needs to be done - charge an additional 20% on top of the estimate and give that to the landlord. If it goes higher than the estimate, Im not eating the cost - Im bringing it up to the landlord. Leaves too much shit up in the air/vague. Most landlords dont give a shit, they just want it done ASAP so they can get someone else in there.
If you're not comfortable with doing shit yourself, thats fine. But 60k for a subfloor & joist repair is highway robbery no matter where you live. Almost makes me think you called the contractor that had an all illegal immigrant work force and now hes gotta hire Yt peepo to come do the work.
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My situation is closer to the first. But there is no way I'm going to try to do any work, I'll make it worse.
2nd contractor stopped by today. He suggested I buy the cabinets myself, and he will put them in, do the sub floor, and add/move outlets and lights for 8k and in 2 weeks. He told me permits aren't needed unless you're doing water work or tearing down walls. Feel a lot better now.
Any reviews of cabinets from Home Depot/Lowes/IKEA or are they all pretty much the same?
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