Indiana...Religious Freedom eh? *sigh*

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Borzak

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The feds announced last week they are suing a gun range in AR for having a sign that said "No muslim terrorist" allowed.
 

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I'm confused don't most states still have a right to refuse service? If a potential patron is acting poorly or otherwise contrary to your business interests you can just say "please leave". That's it. The problem with this law is not that a sole proprietor can't tell a flaming gay person nude except for chaps and a thong to leave their family establishment, but that it shields these companies and people from legal action for any type or depth of discrimination.

The issue with the bakery (and soon others with this law) is not that the actions or words of those patrons offended the owners, but rather their mere existence. Why should a religious man be able to tell a well mannered and dressed gay man to get out, but not a black lawyer looking to get married? Why not quiz them on their political leanings and hobbies? Maybe you don't like import automobiles so screw the guy in the Honda?

The reality is proprietors and corporations have long had the right to eject anyone actually ACTING in a manner offensive or contrary to the owners or patrons interests. Now we're protecting blanket refusals again? Do you people who support this not understand the difference between a sign that says "no blacks allowed" and a business owner telling a thugged out black kid to get out of their luxury interior design showroom and come back dressed and acting appropriately?

Yes, sometimes in an area many people of a certain group fall into a category or type that effectively bans them from using certain businesses or services, but that is not a blanket prohibition. Most of the black citizens from Ferguson likely would get kicked out of the nicest steak house in St Louis, but that doesn't mean a few, or the black executive from New York, can't take advantage of that business open to the public because they adhere to the dress code and conduct expected by ALL patrons of the business instead of filling out a questionnaire about their life/orientations before selectively being allowed a table.
 

Kuriin

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Yes, they could have done that but they wanted to stay true to their convictions and discriminate. :p
 

Abefroman

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Repubs sure spend a lot of time worrying about gays. Doesn't their church fuck more boys then all of San Francisco?
 

Kuriin

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Speaking of which how are the gays so rich kuriin? Median home price in SF is like 990k. The fuck?
You have to remember that most gays have an actual education which does help with employment. =P Most gays in the Bay area make well over 120k, plus then you have the couples and polyamorous folks. :p


edit: Also, I think average price in SF is now a million.
 

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I haven't followed this event or this thread at all, but why are religious people so dumb? Couldn't the bakery just have said "oh we overbooked, sorry we can't accommodate that date and cake" instead of "hurr durr die faggots"?
Well, to be this religious you have to be pretty dumb and along with that religiosity comes some strange pride about being morally superior, which has to be advertised loudly.
 

LachiusTZ

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Anti religion people are just as stupid in a lot of instances.

Why is nobody taking this the other direction?

What happens if gays in San Fran decide to not serve straight people. In my experience, it's been the "oppressed" people that show outright bigotry. But, maybe my experiences are unique.
 

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Anti religion people are just as stupid in a lot of instances.

Why is nobody taking this the other direction?

What happens if gays in San Fran decide to not serve straight people. In my experience, it's been the "oppressed" people that show outright bigotry. But, maybe my experiences are unique.
I don't think I have ever heard of any instance or anecdotal story about a gay person refusing someone service.

It is not about takibg a side, any discrimination is wrong and just stupid in general when it comes to operating a business
 

Kuriin

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What happens if gays in San Fran decide to not serve straight people. In my experience, it's been the "oppressed" people that show outright bigotry. But, maybe my experiences are unique.
Uhm yeah, that hypothetical situation will never happen. Next.
 

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For the record.

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And yeah I think a big key to knowing where the line is, is remembering that some things are a choice and some things are not. Your attire and your attitude can be changed. Your race and your sexual orientation cannot.

So you can keep/kick people out for not having shoes, but you can't keep/kick them out for having green eyes.

I wish the religious right would just get back to arguingdirectlythat homosexuality is a choice, instead of all this obfuscation.
 

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If gays discriminate against straight people, the party discriminated against should be afforded legal remedies that are currently being denied to gay individuals under this new Indiana law. That is, the people being discriminated against should be allowed to sue the party doing the discrimination.
 

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Indiana Pizzeria Takes Brave Stand of Denying Gays Pizza for Weddings
Memories Pizza - Walkerton, IN | Yelp

Hard to tell if this is an April Fools Joke because of how ridiculous it is.

"We are a Christian establishment," says O'Connor.

The O'Connor family prides themselves in owning a business that reflects their religious beliefs.

"We're not discriminating against anyone, that's just our belief and anyone has the right to believe in anything," says O'Connor.
Then it goes into the Father saying

That lifestyle is something they choose. I choose to be heterosexual. They choose to be homosexual. Why should I be beat over the head to go along with something they choose?
It sounds like Kevin O'Connor sucked a dick and was like, "Nah." Can't fault a guy for knowing what he likes
 

hodj

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Anti religion people are just as stupid in a lot of instances.
Not wanting people to be discriminated against based on fundamental characteristics = stupid
Believing in invisible sky pixies that generate universes from whole cloth with their voice = Exceedingly intelligent

Gotcha.

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Olscratch

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I'd like to point out that the right-wing overlords who wanted this policy have employed one fake journalist to gin up christian persecution stories to give them cover for this shit.

Fox News Pundit: Muslim Holidays Discriminate Against Christians | Right Wing Watch
An anguished Perkins lamented that "when 85 percent of the population identifies as Christian but we can't have a Christmas holiday because it's religious but yet we can have Muslim holidays, something is not right there in New York City, 'The Big Apple,' something is rotten."
Starnes responded by claiming that Islam is being elevated over Christianity, and it's all Obama's fault.
"You're absolutely right Tony," the Fox News pundit said. "How many times have we seen this, where the Islamic faith is being given accommodation and the Christian faith and other religious faiths are being marginalized, not just in the public workspace but also through the Obama administration."

Todd Starnes: Gay Rights Movement Ushering In | Right Wing Watch
Fox News commentator Todd Starnes used his daily radio segment today to accuse the gay rights movement of "cultural cleansing" over the incident, suggesting that "Christians need not apply to public sector jobs" in Atlanta.
"Chief Cochran is just the latest victim in the ongoing cultural cleansing of American society," Starnes said.

Todd Starnes: By Disagreeing With Conservatives | Right Wing Watch
Fox News commentator Todd Starnes is outraged that the recent Newsweek cover story on the Bible poked holes in the many ways right-wing activists use scripture to try and push their political agenda.
Since the Religious Right often frames criticisms of their political and social views as direct assaults on religion and God, it came as no surprise that Starnes told American Family Radio host Kevin McCullough last week that the magazine is actually attacking the Bible.
"They've got a 16-page diatribe blasting the Bible and evangelical Christians, it is the most repugnant, repulsive thing I have ever read," Starnes said. "This is exegesis excrement."

Todd Starnes: Wrong Again | Right Wing Watch
Over the weekend, Todd Starnes received a message on Facebook from a mother in North Carolina who claimed that the Disney Channel's website had banned the word "God." The website, it seems, had asked people to list what they were thankful for and her daughter had attempted to write that she was thankful for "God, my family, my church and my friends," only to have her message rejected.
So naturally, the mother complained to Starnes about this "discrimination" and Starnes, of course, turned the entire thing into another column about supposed anti-Christian persecution in America:
Predictably, Fox News seized on the story and interviewed the mother and daughter about Disney's blatant hostility toward God, which eventually prompted Disney to issue an exasperated statement, which Starnes has now added to his column, pointing out that it was not bigotry at work, but simple filtering software:
Disney employs word filtering technology to prevent profanity from appearing on our websites. Unfortunately, because so many people attempt to abuse the system and use the word "God" in conjunction with profanity, in an abundance of caution our system is forced to catch and prevent any use of the word on our websites. The company would have been happy to explain our filtering technology to the inquiring family had they contacted us.

Richard Land Angry That Gays Will | Right Wing Watch
This week a Kentucky-based administrative law judge upheld a 2012 human rights commission decision against a t-shirt company that cited its owner's religious beliefs to deny service to a local gay service organization.
The ruling did not please Fox News correspondent Todd Starnes or former Southern Baptist Convention official Richard Land, who discussed the case on yesterday's edition of "Washington Watch," which Land was guest-hosting.
"What they just did violates the Constitution of the United States," Land insisted. "It also shows, once again, the ugly face of the gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender movement. They are not a live-and-let-live bunch, they are, 'We're going to ram this down your throat, we're going to force you to accept this or we're going to run you out of business.'"
Starnes said the decision was proof of anti-Christian "hostility" against business owners: "Christians are coming under attack for their beliefs."


City of Houston demands pastors turn over sermons | Fox News

https://youtu.be/ZzcRraxbaFk

This shit for several years straight.
 

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Tony Perkins Fears Obama Will Start Putting Christians In Jail Any Day Now | Right Wing Watch
Tony Perkins invited Fox News' go-to-Christian-persecution-commentator Todd Starnes to join him on the weekend edition of "Washington Watch," where Starnes pointed to recent remarks by Rick Warren and Russell Moore warning of the imminent imprisonment of Christians in America as proof that Christians will indeed soon face jail sentences.
Perkins, who recently warned that gay rights advocates are about to launch an anti-Christian Holocaust, naturally agreed that such arrests are going to "play out very quickly in our day."

Middle School Anti-Bullying Lesson Includes Lesbian Role Play | Todd Starnes
Young girls at a New York middle school were instructed to ask one another for a lesbian kiss and boys were given guidance on how to tell if women are sluts during an anti-bullying presentation on gender identity and sexual orientation, angry parents allege.
- Contrary to a few media reports, female students were not forced to engage in any "lesbian kissing".
- Contrary to a few media reports, male students were not told to carry condoms.
- Contrary to a few media reports, sexual activity among young adolescents was not condoned or promoted in any way.
The school district also posted an email it sent to Fox News regarding its report of the workshop. Here's an excerpt from the letter:
These sessions were designed by the building leadership in an effort to have eighth graders treat each other with respect and to develop in our young adolescents an appreciation for personal dignity. To suggest that we would condone or promote sexual activity among teenagers is absurd. It is equally absurd to suggest that an activity, designed to have young women feel more confident saying no to unwanted advances from boys, is in some way promoting a lesbian lifestyle

Todd Starnes' 5 Fake "Culture Wars" | Research | Media Matters for America
Starnes: Student Was "Thanking The Lord For Winning The Race," Caused His Disqualification. Starnes wrote that a Texas high school track team was disqualified from a race after the anchor runner crossed the finished line and "raised his finger to the sky -- thanking the Lord for winning the race that would send them to the state finals":
Fact: Student Disqualified For Disrespectful Behavior Toward Meet Official. The University Interscholastic League (UIL), which governs extracurricular school activities in Texas, investigated the incident and found that the student "reacted disrespectfully" to a meet official's warning of a possible disqualification "should that behavior continue," and the student was disqualified based on that reaction:

Terrible Fox News Correspondent Todd Starnes Is Still Terrible | Right Wing Watch
On Christmas, Starnes filed a report claiming that a VA hospital in Dallas, Texas, had rejected Christmas cards because they had a religious message, including the VA's statement:
In order to be respectful of our veterans' religious beliefs, all donated holiday cards are reviewed by a multi-disciplinary team of staff led by chaplaincy services and determined if they are appropriate (non-religious) to freely distribute to patients. We regret this process was not fully explained to this group and apologize for any misunderstanding.
But as Noble points out, Starnes removed key language from the statement - which notes that cards with religious messages will be distributed by the Chaplaincy Service -to make it appear as if the cards were banned:
In order to be respectful of our Veterans religious beliefs, all donated holiday cards are reviewed by a multi-disciplinary team of staff led by Chaplaincy services and determined if they are appropriate (non-religious) to freely distribute to patients. After the review is complete, the holiday cards that reference religious and/or secular tones are then distributed by Chaplaincy Service on a one-on-one basis if the patient agrees to the religious reference in the holiday card donation. The holiday cards that do not contain religious and/or secular tones are distributed freely to patients across the Health Care System. We regret this process was not fully explained to this group and apologize for any misunderstanding.
 

Royal

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Never having been to a gay wedding, is pizza all the rage at those affairs?
 

Kuriin

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This is what my hubby and I had served at our wedding:

Paper-thin Pizzettas
Red Wine Brased Oxtail
"Ma La Chicken"
Pistachio Crusted Chicken Roulade Medallions
Pork Tenderloin ona Cornmeal Blini
Shiro Maguro Poke in Nori Cups
Crispy Coconut Shrimp
Artichoke-Hazelnut Soup

So, we did have some kind of pizza? :p