Indiana...Religious Freedom eh? sigh

Gavinmad · Apr 1, 2015

Scratch_sl said:
"when 85 percent of the population identifies as Christian

Lol, maybe if you polled people coming out of church on Sunday you'd get 85%.

Chukzombi · Apr 1, 2015

so whats the issue here? did a a bakery refuse a gay couples cake because they wanted cocks and bungholes on it or did they just want it to say congrats from one dude to another? as a baker, i wouldnt be designing cocks on any cake whether its for a gay or straight couple, if you want a cake, i will bake you a cake, but if you want some gay message on it, ill hand you the icing thingy and let you write it. the cake itself shouldnt be a problem. if a baker feels doing a job that is outside their comfort zone and that includes just making the cake, then they are in the wrong business. but i can totally understand if the baker doesnt want some perverted designs on it or a message that goes against their beliefs.

small example, here in jersey some years back a shop rite refused service to a guy for wanting a cake that read. happy birthday adolf hitler.. turns out he named his son adolf hitler and the guy was some kind of neo nazi. should shop rite be forced to write that on the cake?
3-year-old Hitler can't get name on cake - US news - Weird news | NBC News

ZyyzYzzy · Apr 1, 2015

Wait wait wait. I thought a_skeleton_03 couldn't bake for shit as evident by the cakepop fiasco. These gay bros are lucky a_skeleton_03's hatred for gays saved them from this cake.

AngryGerbil · Apr 1, 2015

Maester Chuk_sl said:
should shop rite be forced to write that on the cake?

No.

But shop rite cannot refuse to bake a cake for a person just because of their sexual orientation.

It's a question of choice. You can choose a different phrase for the cake, or you can choose another cake shop. The cake shop cannot force the customer to choose to stop being gay, so they can't refuse service to him or herjust becauseof it.

Edit*
You're a right-leaning white guy, yes? You know how you always tell your buddies, "I don't hate that guy because he's black, I hate him because he's a fucking asshole."

It's like that. If the fag is being a total fag and wearing butt-floss and nipple clamps, you can kick him out the same as if a straight guy walked in like that. Butjust becausehe's gay? Or black? Nope. Sorry. America ain't having it. Go find another designated area of land in which to live like that. I suggest Syria.

Kuriin · Apr 1, 2015

Maester Chuk_sl said:
so whats the issue here? did a a bakery refuse a gay couples cake because they wanted cocks and bungholes on it or did they just want it to say congrats from one dude to another? as a baker, i wouldnt be designing cocks on any cake whether its for a gay or straight couple, if you want a cake, i will bake you a cake, but if you want some gay message on it, ill hand you the icing thingy and let you write it. the cake itself shouldnt be a problem. if a baker feels doing a job that is outside their comfort zone and that includes just making the cake, then they are in the wrong business. but i can totally understand if the baker doesnt want some perverted designs on it or a message that goes against their beliefs.

small example, here in jersey some years back a shop rite refused service to a guy for wanting a cake that read. happy birthday adolf hitler.. turns pout his son was named adolf hitler and the guy was some kind of neo nazi. should shop rite be forced to write that on the cake?
3-year-old Hitler can't get name on cake - US news - Weird news | NBC News

I feel like people don't even read shit or take time to actually look shit up. As said numerous times in this thread before, the baker initially accepted the cake. It was only when they found out the people were gay did they then refuse.

NOT TO MENTION.

This Colorado baker refused to put an anti-gay message on cakes. Now she is facing a civil rights complaint. - The Washington Post

Jack walked into Azucar Bakery last March and asked for two cakes, both in the shape of Bibles. That wasn't a problem for Marjorie Silva, the bakery's owner. It was what Jack wanted her to write on the cake: Anti-gay phrases including "God hates gays" and an image of two men holding hands, covered in a big, red "X."

It seems as if it's the religious fucks that love to hate. ;-)

Royal · Apr 1, 2015

If you sell dick cakes, then you should be selling them to anyone willing to pay for one. The same if you sell your more garden variety cakes. If you don't sell cakes with Hitler references to anyone at all, then Neo-nazi dad better brush up on working a cream piping bag ... or find someone who does sell Nazi cakes.

Chukzombi · Apr 1, 2015

Kuriin_sl said:
I feel like people don't even read shit or take time to actually look shit up. As said numerous times in this thread before, the baker initially accepted the cake. It was only when they found out the people were gay did they then refuse.

NOT TO MENTION.

This Colorado baker refused to put an anti-gay message on cakes. Now she is facing a civil rights complaint. - The Washington Post

It seems as if it's the religious fucks that love to hate. ;-)

so it was just the cake itself? they didnt want any kind of racy design on it or a pro gay message? that doesnt make much sense unless the customers really irritated the owners and he told them to GTFO.

Kuriin · Apr 1, 2015

Most wedding cakes do not have some kind of racy design nor do they have any sign that they are PRO SOMETHING. Lol. It doesn't make much sense because that's just how religion works.

Royal · Apr 1, 2015

Maester Chuk_sl said:
so it was just the cake itself? they didnt want any kind of racy design on it or a pro gay message? that doesnt make much sense unless the customers really irritated the owners and he told them to GTFO.

Which of the cakes in question are you asking about?

Mario Speedwagon · Apr 1, 2015

Kuriin_sl said:
I feel like people don't even read shit or take time to actually look shit up. As said numerous times in this thread before, the baker initially accepted the cake. It was only when they found out the people were gay did they then refuse.

NOT TO MENTION.

This Colorado baker refused to put an anti-gay message on cakes. Now she is facing a civil rights complaint. - The Washington Post

It seems as if it's the religious fucks that love to hate. ;-)

Bible shaped cakes with anti-gay messages on them? Sounds like a party I want to be at.

Chukzombi · Apr 1, 2015

Royal_sl said:
Which of the cakes in question are you asking about?

if the bakery made regular white 3 tiered wedding cakes and all they wanted was that cake, then anyone's persuasion should not be a problem. sell that cake. if they wanted something weird and the owner refused, i can understand that.

if the customers got bitchy at the baker and the baker got mad and told them to leave, i can also understand. but yeah, if all they wanted was a normal cake and they said no because "god hates gays" thats just wrong and i hope they go out of business.

but thats my point. they are wrong and probably some kind of hatemonger. do you really want a cake from that place? do you want to give them money so they can make you a cake which will not probably be made well at best and likely got spit in and pissed on at worst?

Gavinmad · Apr 1, 2015

Maester Chuk_sl said:
if the bakery made regular white 3 tiered wedding cakes and all they wanted was that cake, then anyone's persuasion should not be a problem. sell that cake. if they wanted something weird and the owner refused, i can understand that.

if the customers got bitchy at the baker and the baker got mad and told them to leave, i can also understand. but yeah, if all they wanted was a normal cake and they said no because "god hates gays" thats just wrong and i hope they go out of business.

but thats my point. they are wrong and probably some kind of hatemonger. do you really want a cake from that place? do you want to give them money so they can make you a cake which will not probably be made well at best and likely got spit in and pissed on at worst?

. <--- the point _ _ _ _ _ _ ---> Astr0

Hoss · Apr 1, 2015

ZyyzYzzy_sl said:
I don't think I have ever heard of any instance or anecdotal story about a gay person refusing someone service.

But, it's theoretically possible and therefore, according to hodj, a valid argument.

Lanx · Apr 1, 2015

Kuriin_sl said:
I feel like people don't even read shit or take time to actually look shit up. As said numerous times in this thread before, the baker initially accepted the cake. It was only when they found out the people were gay did they then refuse.

nope.

The couple wanted to celebrate their love with a commitment ceremony in April. Mike called 111 Cakery downtown to order a cake.

?[The owner] said, ?We don?t do that. If I can help you with anything else, but we don?t discriminate.? That was the end of it,? he said.

Same-sex couple denied cake by bakery, owners speak out | Fox 59

since the bakery is located in the heart of gay town, you can't fault the gays.

Gavinmad · Apr 1, 2015

It's unlikely but not impossible, gays are human beings are therefore just as capable of ignorance and stupidity as any other human being.

AngryGerbil · Apr 1, 2015

Maester Chuk_sl said:
but thats my point. they are wrong and probably some kind of hatemonger. do you really want a cake from that place? do you want to give them money so they can make you a cake which will not probably be made well at best and likely got spit in and pissed on at worst?

Market forces donotget to be the final arbiter of civil rights. It's an important consideration, but it's a secondary consideration.

This country has been over this already. 'We' didn't give a shit what the economics or the religions of the South were. The behavior had to stop, period.

This whole thing is just the lingering, coughing, death rattle of a defeated idea.

hodj · Apr 1, 2015

Hoss_sl said:
But, it's theoretically possible and therefore, according to hodj, a valid argument.

And would be just as wrong as the reverse.

Gavinmad · Apr 1, 2015

AngryGerbil_sl said:
Market forces donotget to be the final arbiter of civil rights. It's an important consideration, but it's a secondary consideration.

This country has been over this already. 'We' didn't give a shit what the economics or the religions of the South were. The behavior had to stop, period.

This whole thing is just the lingering, coughing, death rattle of a defeated idea.

We didn't fight the civil war over slavery, we fought it over the South's definition of state's rightsto own slaves.

AngryGerbil · Apr 1, 2015

Gavinmad_sl said:
We didn't fight the civil war over slavery, we fought it over the South's definition of state's rightsto own slaves.

iannis · Apr 1, 2015

A little bit of good news: NC has a similar bill in our legislature. The Republican leader has said, "I'd rather we focus on job creation and roads". Our Governor (otherwise a bought and paid for American Inventorhating corporate douchebag) has said, "This bill just doesn't make any sense." Even prominent State Senators (where the main support for this bill is) have said, "I don't know how this does anything positive for our state".

This revolution... way too stupid for even North Carolina to throw their young men at.

Indiana...Religious Freedom eh? *sigh*

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