drtyrm
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This strawman shit is getting old dude. Just spew your incorrect opinions without putting words in mouths.
Indiana...Religious Freedom eh? *sigh*
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Heylel
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This issue has become so clouded. Just this morning I'm seeing stories about Santorum claiming that now gay bakers will have to make cakes for Westboro that say "God Hates Fags". No, that's not how it works.
If a gay couple comes in and demands a cake that says "I love buttsecks!", the baker is still within his rights to say they're not willing to make that cake because it's offensive. You can deny service because of what a customer wants, but not because of *who they are*. How is this so hard to understand?
If a gay couple comes in and demands a cake that says "I love buttsecks!", the baker is still within his rights to say they're not willing to make that cake because it's offensive. You can deny service because of what a customer wants, but not because of *who they are*. How is this so hard to understand?
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That is -exactly- his stance. He may not refer to it as a disease, but when he says that having these genetic markers is mandatory for being gay, and you simply can not become gay without them, that is exactly the claim you are making. Maybe it's just a disorder or disability instead of a disease to him, since its not a bad thing, kinda like how downs kids aren't really bad, just a bit disabled.
How do you differentiate between the two on a legal level without discriminating?
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Genetic disease, genetic predisposition. Whatever you want to call it doesn't matter. You are claiming, specifically, that you MUST have these gentic markers to become gay. Do you really, honestly and seriously think that someone must be born with the gay predisposition in order to become gay?
Heylel
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Well it's fairly simple, actually. If a gay couple comes in wanting a run of the mill wedding cake that isn't actually offensive and you just refuse because they're gay... you've discriminated.
Alternatively, if it's a cake made of dildos with frosting jizzing out of a dick fountain cake topper, you've probably got reason to decline.
drtyrm
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So I guess that mean's you aren't going to stop with the strawman shit. Carry on.
hodj
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Actually it matters quite a lot if you're remotely interested in being intellectually honest, and worried about things like facts and truth on any level whatsoever.
You and Siddar have demonstrated that you aren't interested in any of these things, which is why it doesn't matter to you.
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Okay, the let me ask specifically in the way you want. Do you think it is require that someone has a genetic predisposition in order for them to turn gay. That without this genetic predisposition, that it isn't possible for them to turn gay. That is exactly what you said earlier, but I'd like to know if you truly believe it. I'll forgive it if you change your mind.
hodj
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We've already been over that, and I've already posted peer reviewed papers demonstrating my view is accurate.
Theonlypeople having any problem grasping my position are you and Siddar, and that's because you're both mad and trying to shit up the thread as hard as possible to try and salvage some of the embarassingly ridiculous and demonstrably fallacious horseshit libertarian positions you've espoused in this thread.
Theonlypeople having any problem grasping my position are you and Siddar, and that's because you're both mad and trying to shit up the thread as hard as possible to try and salvage some of the embarassingly ridiculous and demonstrably fallacious horseshit libertarian positions you've espoused in this thread.
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I doubt either you or Furry can even describe what causes trisomy 21 versus what my claim is regarding genetic clustering and its relation to sexual predisposition.
You can repeat your strawman till you're blue in the face, but the only people buying it are you two.
You can repeat your strawman till you're blue in the face, but the only people buying it are you two.
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I am not even going to go through the dozens of pages of you guys arguing back and forth. All I saw was Furry saying that genetic disease and genetic predisposition are the same thing.
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I have never once claimed being gay is a genetic disorder, and particularly not once claimed that it was remotely similar to trisomy 21.
Its entirely generated from whole cloth by them.
Male sexuality is heavily correlated with gene clusters on the X chromosome and chromosome 8. That's all male human sexuality, not just homosexual proclivities. That's directly from the largest, and most recent, and most comprehensive genome wide studies on sexuality to date to pass peer review, and the paper was cited directly in this thread many pages ago.
The fact that these two dipshits don't understand the difference between a genetic malady that is a result of a failure of homologs to separate during meiotic cell division, resulting in an extra 21st chromosome in the cell lines stemming from that replication event, and the natural act of gene clusters underlying physiological and behavioral aspects of an entities' existence is pretty telling as to how well they even begin to comprehend what saying "Sexuality is correlated at a basal level with genome" means in the first place.
Its entirely generated from whole cloth by them.
Male sexuality is heavily correlated with gene clusters on the X chromosome and chromosome 8. That's all male human sexuality, not just homosexual proclivities. That's directly from the largest, and most recent, and most comprehensive genome wide studies on sexuality to date to pass peer review, and the paper was cited directly in this thread many pages ago.
The fact that these two dipshits don't understand the difference between a genetic malady that is a result of a failure of homologs to separate during meiotic cell division, resulting in an extra 21st chromosome in the cell lines stemming from that replication event, and the natural act of gene clusters underlying physiological and behavioral aspects of an entities' existence is pretty telling as to how well they even begin to comprehend what saying "Sexuality is correlated at a basal level with genome" means in the first place.
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Its not that complicated. Siddar is a fag. His conservative upbringing forced him to hide this side of him from the outside world. Since he was forced to make such a choice, he believes thats how everyone does it. This also applies to Furry as well since he has made a number of choices as to his sexual preferences. And this also explains why we constantly have gay bashing conservatives getting caught sucking dicks.