Indiana...Religious Freedom eh? sigh

hodj · Mar 28, 2015

tad10_sl said:
Your racist statement speaks for itself and the fact that you are trying so hard to walk it back shows that you know it's racist

So, what you're saying is, you can't actually justify your retarded assertion, and you think we should all just accept it because you made it, just like you think we should accept your claims for magic sky wizards simply because you can make them.

Apparently you are quite happy with thought police.

Apparently you're quite happy with telling a significant proportion of this nation's citizens that they're second class, at best, and not worthy of the basic fundamental respect society demands for others, you pathetic bigoted piece of shit.

tad10_sl said:
The Free Exercise Clause says otherwise. You got a problem with it? Move to another country.

Where does the free exercise clause say that you get to discriminate against others in your business dealings based on your belief in magical sky fairies?

Protip: It doesn't.

This is what happens when you're WRONG tad. People realize it, and point it out to you, so you'll hopefully grow a brain and stop being wrong.

Unfortunately, with you, brain growth is clearly being negated by religiosity, or stupidity. Probably a combination of both.

Royal · Mar 28, 2015

So many people keep reducing this down to wedding cakes. If they had passed a law affirming the right of bakers, wedding planners, caterers, and photographers to refuse to participate in a same sex wedding, then provided some legal definition of "participation" I don't think nearly as many people would have had a problem with it.

Rhuma_sl · Mar 28, 2015

tad10_sl said:
The Free Exercise Clause says otherwise. You got a problem with it? Move to another country.

Sorry but baking cakes isn't a religious activity.

tad10 · Mar 28, 2015

hodj_sl said:
So, what you're saying is, you can't actually justify you're retarded assertion, and you think we should all just accept it because you made it, just like you think we should accept your claims for magic sky wizards simply because you can make them.

Lol. Sucks that your own words show you to be a closet racist, doesn't it?

wormie · Mar 28, 2015

tad10_sl said:
I take it then, that you agree with hodj that we're all secret racists who want to bring back Jim Crow?

I agree with hodj that your assertion that atheism is a religion makes you dumb. The racist stuff is a reach on both sides imo. Your position does not, to me, imply you want jim crow back. But your absolute lack of understand of basic logic and your incorrect application of same makes me believe that you really cant have a logical thought so you can very well be arguing for jim crows return.

hodj · Mar 28, 2015

tad10_sl said:
Lol. Sucks that your own words show you to be a closet racist, doesn't it?

Ah now we're to closet racism.

But I thought it was clear by the words, right? I mean that's what you said, right?

So its sorta funny that when you were asked to demonstrate how my words are racist, the best you can come up with is to say "Its clear because I say so" then repeat yourself ad naseum because your little ass is so sore over being demonstrably fucking wrong.

Put up or shut up, Tardcakes.

How is the statement you claim is racist racist?

Pictured here is all the people who have died waiting for you to bother to fulfill your burden of proof on any claims you've made in this thread so far.

tad10 · Mar 28, 2015

hodj_sl said:
Ah now we're to closet racism.

But I thought it was clear by the words, right? I mean that's what you said, right?

You completely fail at reading comprehension. Completely.

hodj · Mar 28, 2015

tad10_sl said:
You completely fail at reading comprehension. Completely.

No, I don't. You do however completely fail at defending your retarded fucking position, and at justifying any of your beliefs and claims in this thread.

Tuco · Mar 28, 2015

You two better step it up. The last three pages sucked because you two shit in this thread.

Make your points and move on. If you feel the need to reiterate everything its because you have no confidence in your previous statements.

khalid · Mar 28, 2015

tad10_sl said:
Apparently you are quite happy with thought police.

We aren't talking about jailing people for THINKING racist and bigoted thoughts. We are talking about laws against people who are actually practicing racism and bigotry.

That you can't tell the difference between these things is kinda scary.

hodj · Mar 28, 2015

Lol at tad so mad he put my quote in his sig, when he can't even demonstrate what is racist in the quote in the first place.

Tuco_sl said:
Make your points and move on. If you feel the need to reiterate everything its because you have no confidence in your previous statements.

All I can say about this is "Lol wut?"

I have to reiterate everything because Tad is a retard who cannot defend his position and refuses to offer any justification for his claims that I'm a double top secret decoder ring racist because I recognize that businesses discriminating against people based on their fundamental characteristics is Unconstitutional as determined by the Supreme Court of the United States.

I'mentirely confidentin every statement I've made in this thread.

tad10 · Mar 28, 2015

hodj_sl said:
No, I don't. You do however completely fail at defending your retarded fucking position, and at justifying any of your beliefs and claims in this thread.

Let me explain English to you since it is clearly not your first language.

Your words that I quote in my .sig are overtly racist because the treat "Blacks" and "Whites" as a class based on their race. Stereotyping a class of persons based on race, which you did, is what is known in the real world as capital "R" Racism. You are a closet racist because, I presume, you tell everyone you know that you are not racist and love all mankind yet you show no remorse in resorting to racism to defend yourself in an online debate.

Got it? Good.

hodj · Mar 28, 2015

tad10_sl said:
Let me explain English to you since it is clearly not your first language.

Your words that I quote in my .sig are overtly racist because the treat "Blacks" and "Whites" as a class based on their race. Stereotyping a class of persons based on race, which you did, is what is known in the real world as capital "R" Racism. You are a closet racist because, I presume, you tell everyone you know that you are not racist and love all mankind yet you show no remorse in resorting to racism to defend yourself in an online debate.

Got it? Good.

No, I don't got it, at all. What I'm getting is you don't know what racism and bigotry actually are, by this statement, and that you might want to go read a dictionary. That's literally all I'm getting from this.

Pointing out that allowing people to discriminate in their business dealings is a divisive policy that will lead to groups segregating based on people they favor over people they do not favor, be it blacks dealing only with blacks, whites dealing only with whites, Christians dealing only with Christians, gays dealing only with gays, is not racist. No matter how you try to finagle it, it'll never be racist.

Its really just that simple, dipshit.

What this really boils down to is tard10 thinks that pointing out bigotry is bigoted. Which is stupid, but entirely par for the course from extreme right wing evangelicals in our society. "Criticizing us being bigots is RAYYYYCIST!"

Nope.

Kedwyn · Mar 28, 2015

Bro do you tell your 4 year old austic nephew he is wrong and brow beat him with logic at thanks giving dinner in front of everyone endlessly how he is wrong? You can be mostly right and still wrong.

Sometimes stupid stands on its own well enough and forcing stupid to admit stupid is well not only futile but stupid. Especially when it's the same circular shit getting rehashed over and over.

hodj · Mar 28, 2015

I wasn't aware tad10 was a 4 year old autistic child.

Though now his positions make more sense knowing this information.

tad10 · Mar 28, 2015

khalid_sl said:
We aren't talking about jailing people for THINKING racist and bigoted thoughts. We are talking about laws against people who are actually practicing racism and bigotry.

That you can't tell the difference between these things is kinda scary.

Give me a fucking break.

We are talking about using the coercive power of the State to force people to do things that are against their beliefs that are not otherwise criminal. We are not talking about criminal activities like theft, rape or murder. We are talking about some twit who doesn't want to bake a cake for gays and you think it's okay to enact laws forcing them to bake that cake.

That there is thought police.

hodj · Mar 28, 2015

Every single time the issue has gone to court, the practice of discrimination in business transactions based on race, biological sex, sexual orientation, etc. it has been ruled that this is in fact, illegal.

Tard10 claims this practice is actually legal.

Tide goes in.
Tide goes out.
You can't explain that.

khalid · Mar 28, 2015

tad10_sl said:
We are talking about using the coercive power of the State to force people to do things that areagainst their beliefsthat are not otherwise criminal. We are not talking about criminal activities like theft, rape or murder. We are talking about some twit who doesn't want to bake a cake for gays and you think it's okay to enact laws forcing them to bake that cake.

That there is thought police.

The state doesn't care one wit about their beliefs. It is simply saying that you should provide equal service to someone regardless of their gender. Now it just so happens that the only people interested in refusing gays services are bigots like you (who also happen to almost always base their hatred on religion). However, the law is ignoring why you have your bigoted beliefs.

Thought police would be saying "if you hate gays, you are in trouble" and the law isn't saying that at all.

Rhuma_sl · Mar 28, 2015

tad10_sl said:
Give me a fucking break.

We are talking about using the coercive power of the State to force people to do things that are against their beliefs that are not otherwise criminal. We are not talking about criminal activities like theft, rape or murder. We are talking about some twit who doesn't want to bake a cake for gays and you think it's okay to enact laws forcing them to bake that cake.

That there is thought police.

Fuck your beliefs, they would have done it not for the Lynch mob of Christian bigots that started their gossip circles.

This is one shade away from racism only instead of skin color it's what someone does in their own private lives.

Let's look at it this way, would that cake business be able to refuse a homosexual employment based on his sexual orientation? So why is it any different whether it's a customer or not?

Discrimination is not okay, in any circumstance.

tad10 · Mar 28, 2015

khalid_sl said:
The state doesn't care one wit about their beliefs. It is simply saying that you should provide equal service to someone regardless of their gender. Now it just so happens that the only people interested in refusing gays services are bigots like you

You're welcome to cite where I advocated refusing service based on orientation, race or anything else? I stated that people should be allowed to discriminate under the 1A. But that's a distinction you deliberately ignored. Seems like all you guys like to argue in the same way: ad hominems, attributing false statements, and the like.

The free market system and the fact that we are light years away from our southern and northern racist past means that absent these coercive laws you seem to like most companies won't discriminate based on anything. Unlike hodj, I recognize that most people in the US aren't racists and that 99.9% of white owned business will serve everybody as will 99.9% of almost any other (insert race/gender/orientation here) business. Would there be some discrimination: sure, somewhere, but those business won't flourish.

Anyway, back to Thought Police, again you continue to justify the coercive use of the state to force people to bake cakes to people they don't want to bake cakes for. This is all about beliefs and nothing about equality. More to the point, it is all about control and denying others their right to follow their beliefs as they see fit. You seem to think that thought and action are entirely separate things like the atoms Iron and Gold. One acts based on their belief, you don't believe or think in a vacuum.

So again, Thought Police.

Indiana...Religious Freedom eh? *sigh*

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