Iron Man 3 [Spoilers Everywhere]

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Dandai

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To echo some of the sentiments here, I found no faults with the movie as a non-comic-reader. Of course there was some unrealistic shit with physics and whatnot, but considering the source material and the medium, I think anyone scrutinizingthathard for faults will hate most everything about any superhero movie. This isn't sci-fi where they may or may not use real* science in their storytelling; this is a super hero flick that's supposed to make you go, "WOW THAT WAS BADASS," and assume everything is done with space magic.

*real being synonymous with plausible in this instance
 

Venijk

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This is not a super hero movie, it's a super-ego movie!

I did not care much for the action, but was pleasantly surprised by how cleverly they used the material to constantly, almost scene after scene, work on the idea of identity. This is thematically interesting but also mechanically amusing plot-wise, with the armors becoming vessels that carry people around or tools of deception (plot, theme and action merging in the final action scene where Tony Stark jumps from a super-ego to the next). I also find it pretty ballsy to turn a comic book villain into a stage(d) villain and to have the main character abandon core elements of his super-hero identity and basically claim that a piece of metal near the heart was important for him to BECOME Ironman, but that he does not need it to BE Ironman. How often do you see a hero that becomes literally iconoclast toward his own myth? Pretty awesome, but I can see how it can be seen as a lack of respect for the material, especially in a context of it being part of the movie-canon and not some comic book one shot.
Well said. I enjoyed the hell out of it. It's possible that "a cigar is just a cigar", but I was not expecting what seemed like purposeful philosophical depth.

The Tony PTSD stuff, while always tempered by humor, was well done. Granted, it wasn't saving private Ryan, but it being a super hero who was exhibiting such fragility, especially given (or maybe because of) the way most of us look up to the super-hero archetype, was pretty unsettling.

It seems like after "New York", Tony began to obsessively build dozens of armor variants for every conceivable situation due to the revelation that there are other beings and gods out there which are so much more powerful and a subsequent devaluation of his human ability to adapt with only the normal suit. After his armor gets just as fucked up as his psyche Tony has nowhere to hide and has no choice but to persevere with none of his suits, only his intelligence and ingenuity. After the kid tells him "You're a mechanic, just build something", we see the separate success of both "Tony Stark" with limited or no use of the iron man suit and the autonomous "Iron Man" suit(s) without Tony.

Granted, Tony and Iron Man being separate entities ultimately ends in failure when, despite the myriad of autonomous suits flying around, Tony is unable to save Pepper from falling and then gets his ass-beat due to his specialized suit variants being unable to finish the job and the Mk 42 being on its last leg. He pretty much gets lucky when Pepper rises up like a sexy phoenix and saves him (after destroying the iron man automaton which attacks her).

A 'Hero's split personality is repaired and the hero saves the day' style climax for the ending might have been more satisfying but I appreciate what they went with. I think it did a good job of reinforcing the fact that human adaptability combined with quality tech is much better than having specialized autonomous tech for every situation. In other words, it's not the suit which makes Iron Man, it's Tony which makes Iron Man (which is mirrored in the ending monologue when he chucks the magnet in the water).

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Dioblaire

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Amazing movie. I would rank it as good as IM1, but not as good as Avengers. I loved the changes they made with the story and heroes/villains. It has been a long time since I was completely blindsided by a plot twist. There were a few wonky bits of the movie, but I was completely able to suspend disbelief.
This about sums it up for me. Was pretty shocked by the change, but I found it funny and a bit refreshing.
 

Gavinmad

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I was fine with the switch, thought it was pretty funny actually, Ben Kingsley was great, but it was completely ruined for me when Guy Pearce's character goes 'IVE ALWAYS BEEN THE MANDARIN CAUSE OF THESE COOL CHINESE TATTOOS' near the end. They should have just left the Mandarin a completely fictitious cover for the extremis deaths.
 

moontayle

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After the Avengers I have faith that Marvel knows what they are doing as they lay out each of the next set of pieces needed to get to Avengers 2.
 

Palum

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Was pretty good. Again, I know it rapes the comics (even though I never read any) just because of the severity of the plot twist.

My biggest gripe was some pretty obvious just like 'uhhh ok?' things. Like breaking suspension of disbelief dumb things that only worked because of the acting and pacing. I think they could have done a TON more with the movie is really my disappointment.

Pepper thingy near the end was dumb. If she had survived because of the Extremis whatever, that was built up by the plot. Her turning super human abilities into being a crazy badass mutant ninja turtle all of a sudden was silly.

The other thing... So the scene where Tony is tied up, the guy states it's 829 miles from Tennessee to Miami or whatever. Then the suit parts show up. I'm like OK, he timed it, whatever. Then it shows the rest being LOCKED IN A BARN. They get broken out and fly 829 miles in like... 2 minutes? Holy shit. I'm not a stickler for that very often, but it kind of bothers me in retrospect. Once you create a world and establish the rules (super science, magic, alien flora, whatever) and just rape the shit out them constantly, it starts to get silly.

Plus the end where it says 'Tony Stark Will Return...' OK, why not give us foreshadowing or a better ending instead of needing a piece of text?
 

Conefed

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It was excellent. One of the best yet.
My only real fault was that they held the president captive in a fully functioning world-class weapon and he had to be saved. -But now that I write this, the scene just before it said that the Iron Man suits were linked to Stark, thus we could safely assume that the Patriot was linked to blackman.

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The timing with the pieces didn't register until you mentioned it. When I saw the scene, I thought it was a mini flashback/time lapse and the scene with the boy opening the barn had already happened, and that's why there was a delay
 

McCheese

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I didn't like how Iron Patriot just up and leaves during the final fight. I understand he has to make sure the President is safe, but he couldn't have dropped the President off a few hundred yards away and then gone back to help Tony fight? Having the War Machine armor there would have made a huge difference.
 

Selix

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To echo some of the sentiments here, I found no faults with the movie as a non-comic-reader. Of course there was some unrealistic shit with physics and whatnot, but considering the source material and the medium, I think anyone scrutinizingthathard for faults will hate most everything about any superhero movie. This isn't sci-fi where they may or may not use real* science in their storytelling; this is a super hero flick that's supposed to make you go, "WOW THAT WAS BADASS," and assume everything is done with space magic.

*real being synonymous with plausible in this instance
Saw it Friday night with the wife and I agree with everything said above.

Couple of non-spoiler notes we saw it in 3D which I normally hate since it gives me headaches but the wife loves. Interestingly enough I didn't get headaches at all so I wonder of they have tweaked 3D movies lately? Also we spent extra monies on the motion seats since we had never tried them before and felt like treating ourselves. Overall they were nice and the motion was kind of cool but not really necessary. Wife totally loved it but whatever. The best part about them was the excellent seat positioning without having to show up early to a packed movie theater. Still don't think that is worth the extra price for anything other then the big stuff.
 

Coragain_sl

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Just saw it and didn't liked it.

For some reason all the product placement jumped out at me and was distracting. I'm guessing they hope to sell a ton of toys with all the different suits represented and the fact that they worked in a cute little kid that added nothing to the story. The back and forth with the kid was funny, it just felt unneeded and tacked on.

I've never been crazy about the Pepper character. Paltrow and Downey have zero chemistry and yet she is forced into every movie. Giving her super powers and making her fight like a pro out of the blue was silly.

Stark can't give Rodes a suit in the end because they are all tuned to him, but earlier he can have one encase Pepper and she can wear it and make it work with out a problem?

The plot twist regarding the Mandarin was cleaver but a supreme waste of a classic villain.

I love RDJ but when I go to an Iron Man movie I expect him to actually be Iron Man for more then a few minutes.

Coming up with ways to challenge super powerful characters is hard, but it is lazy as hell writing when all they can come up with is "take away the powers." Iron Man is super powerful so let's put him in a busted ass suit during the few minutes he's actually in armor. All IM armor is prototypes, so why is the Mk 42 so defective?

They touched Starks PTSD but they could have gone a little deeper. Even though he is a super hero he was never mentally conditioned for extended combat so the events in Avengers should have a lasting impact.

The scene after the credits was pointless and a waste of time. I like seeing character cross overs but that one was lame as hell and not worth the wait. Plus we know they have more Marvel movies coming but they couldn't leave a teaser? Weak.

The director/story made it look like this was the final Iron Man movie to the point that they had to put a message in the credit reminding us that he would be back.
 

Lumi

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Other than the top notch acting and neato special effects, this movie was fucking awful.

They take the Mandarin and make him a joke, literally. According to the movie he doesn't even really exist and you find out pretty early into the movie. He is just being controlled by someone and playing an actor in the movie so he's not even the main villain of the movie. Complete fucking joke if you ask me. The coming attractions pump him up and make him seem like a pretty sweet villain and then you find out he's just some average douche bag living in a mansion in Miami being forced to put on an act.

There now that I've completely ruined the "surprise" of the movie for you, save your money and don't give this piece of shit studio anymore funding to peddle out complete trash.
 

Vlett

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Heh, looking at the sales record for this flick already I don't forsee your rant having any effect.

You guys complaining about super Pepper? It didn't bother me because it's not even close to the difference power wise that Guy's character goes through. She wasn't handicapped to begin with either. That guy on the elevator def looks to be.
 

Harshaw

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Other than the top notch acting and neato special effects, this movie was fucking awful.

They take the Mandarin and make him a joke, literally. According to the movie he doesn't even really exist and you find out pretty early into the movie. He is just being controlled by someone and playing an actor in the movie so he's not even the main villain of the movie. Complete fucking joke if you ask me. The coming attractions pump him up and make him seem like a pretty sweet villain and then you find out he's just some average douche bag living in a mansion in Miami being forced to put on an act.

There now that I've completely ruined the "surprise" of the movie for you, save your money and don't give this piece of shit studio anymore funding to peddle out complete trash.
You do know that the Mandarin doesn't exist in the Marvel Ultimates universe where they've lifted a lot of the current movie stuff from right?
 

Xarpolis

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It didn't bother me because it's not even close to the difference power wise that Guy's character goes through. She wasn't handicapped to begin with either. That guy on the elevator def looks to be.
Let's not forget that he can breath fire also. Seriously, what the fuck?
 

kaid

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I didn't like how Iron Patriot just up and leaves during the final fight. I understand he has to make sure the President is safe, but he couldn't have dropped the President off a few hundred yards away and then gone back to help Tony fight? Having the War Machine armor there would have made a huge difference.
While it seems cheesy it really is the exactly right call for a colonel in the military to make. In that situation his job above all others was to get the president to safety and if tony and peper died that would be unfortunate but in that case they were expendable. Given all armor flying around it was reasonable for warmachine to think tony had the situation under control enough for backup to arrive.
 

Df~_sl

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Just got back from seeing the extended Chinese version....

Was easy to tell what scenes were added as the chinese scenes had no 3d and no subtitles... they also did absolutely nothing to further the plot...

The intro flash back scene included a back and forth convo where old chinese man speaks to RDJ in chinese and RDJ ignores him and speaks in english... for 2 minutes or so...

At the tail end of the movie there is a 30second commercial for a chocolate soy milk, and then a long dialogue between chinese old man and chinese young girl about the operation on the "hero" and what happens if they fail... for about 6 minutes...

There are also some other cutaway scenes featuring chinese billboards and wonderful advertisements... not sure if the scene with all the chinese kids and the suit were in all versions... but that might have been added as well...

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Lusiphur

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I felt it was pretty blah. The Shane Black 'make it more serious' thing didn't work for me at all. I nearly fell asleep and my girlfriend did fall asleep, for 90 mins.
I was actually glad when it ended. Still better than your average popcorn flick mind but just didn't tickle my tinklies
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Brahma

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Couple things kinda irked me, but I liked it. 8/10 for me.

Not giving whatever his name is a suit after he lost his was silly, because they JUST had the chick wearing one.

Super Pepper was fine, I chalk it up to the bad guy breathes fire...Anything can happen.

Too much Downey, not enough Iron Man.

I liked that he was bothered by the shit in NYC, but the nervous breakdowns were a tad too much.

The part where he walks out the bar, and his suit is "parked" was pretty cool.

I liked it.
 

Agraza

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The kid's dialogue was not plausible to me. It wasn't his acting as much as what he was saying. Everytime he spoke I was like "this is what a 16 year old might say, not an 11 year old".

There was other shit, but y'all are covering that fine. I'm quite ignorant of Iron Man so discrepancies in the characters were unnoticed.