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TJT

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Work is paying for Github Copilot so I've spent a lot time using it the past few weeks. I really like Copilot Editor because when I am writing a bunch of code that ends up being predictable and it will very very accurately predict 15 lines at a time with the right stylization I want. I like this a lot.

Github Copilot Chat on the other hand has the same problem all AI does. You need to know exactly what you want to do and have a good idea of what the syntax would generally be in the first place. Because gay ass Copilot will 100% tell you to use method calls that don't fucking exist and if you argue with it and tell it that you cannot make this method call as if it were static it will just stop and tell you again to make a static method call that cannot be done. This is annoying so what do I do? Go right back to reading the documentation like I've done since the day I started working.

For extremely routine code it is fine though and can give you syntax examples of anything that are generally correct.
 
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Not sure what you mean. I am not training them, the company is just paying for the service. Microsoft, Google, and the like have unbelievable amounts of data and code examples to train with. That doesn't seem to be the bottleneck.

I think AI for coding purposes is not good for new developers because it will waste your time showing you things that are both incorrect and you lack the background to know when it's wrong. So you just waste your time and bash your head against the wall without even knowing why you're bashing your head agains the wall. It's a variant on some retard just copy pasting a bunch of code from a forum or stackoverflow without understanding it at all and wondering why it doesn't work.
 
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My question was vague, sorry. With no proof, I suspect the true cost of AI is not being reflected in its price currently. A significant portion of the industry is propped up by venture capital that is hedging on this becoming profitable soon. On top of that, the environmental costs of the compute and electrical resources that go into LLM training.

All that for retarded stackoverflow copy-pasta seems underwhelming.
 
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In theory, if Github Copilot could parse official documentation and millions of examples and pinpoint the exact way to construct logic you are looking for this would be very valuable. But it has to understand every single retarded way it can be phrased by people.

The industry right now is just trying to get everyone on the hook for AI so they give it away. Once people become dependent on it they will start charging a lot for it. But in this context AI has not become any better than it was 2 years ago. It has exactly the same problems it did when they started.

For general answers as a robot assistant AI is great shit. For low level tech support and product support. It's fantastic but it also doesn't need to be much more advanced than it is now to keep doing that.
 
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TJT said:
Work is paying for Github Copilot so I've spent a lot time using it the past few weeks. I really like Copilot Editor because when I am writing a bunch of code that ends up being predictable and it will very very accurately predict 15 lines at a time with the right stylization I want. I like this a lot.
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I had this exact same experience--in my case in Python. It's good with boilerplate code and "the standard way of doing things", like some sort of code completion on steroids. But once you leave the well-trodden paths you can almost always expect be in hot water. Like any other AI today it hallucinates things that don't even exist.
 
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In my experience GitHub copilot is the top of the line experience and the codeium shit we are using is bottom of the barrel. Money talks though
 
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Noodleface said:
In my experience GitHub copilot is the top of the line experience and the codeium shit we are using is bottom of the barrel. Money talks though
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They just opened up a free tier for copilot, don’t recall the restrictions off the top of my head.
 
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Five months into my first IT job, I think the most surprising thing so far has been just how shit industry name business software runs.

Coreldraw Pro feels like you would have had to intentionally designed it from the ground up to suck this bad
 
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Five months into my first IT job, I think the most surprising thing so far has been just how shit industry name business software runs.

Coreldraw Pro feels like you would have had to intentionally designed it from the ground up to suck this bad
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Oh, you think that's bad?

*raffs in major firewall vendor*
 
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Kuro said:
Five months into my first IT job, I think the most surprising thing so far has been just how shit industry name business software runs.
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You'd be amazed how shit CAx software is, for how expensive it is. This is the stuff that is used to design and calculate real world engineering. A lot of it is still written in Fortran, and the amount of strange error messages or outright unexplainable segmentation faults keep me up at night, especially when you realize that this is used to design and build things human lives depend on, from cars to planes to spaceships.

Think about that the next time you enter an elevator. And pray it wasn't made by some Indian with a fake degree.

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What about workday? So many companies use it now and it's absolute trash. Amazes me anyone pays for it
 
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Kuro said:
Five months into my first IT job, I think the most surprising thing so far has been just how shit industry name business software runs.

Coreldraw Pro feels like you would have had to intentionally designed it from the ground up to suck this bad
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First IT job? Corel software? Did you post this in 1998, and the post finally got through?
 
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Five months into my first IT job, I think the most surprising thing so far has been just how shit industry name business software runs.

Coreldraw Pro feels like you would have had to intentionally designed it from the ground up to suck this bad
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My sweet boy.

You will learn that nearly all enterprise software is complete trash and you have no idea why anyone pays for it. The moment you think something is the worst you find the next thing and it's worse.

Current problem I am facing has to do with Zendesk. The industry leader in IT ticketing software. It has had a foundational design flaw since 2008 that has caused them to hemorrhage major customers for years. They don't do anything about it because they were first to market and that holds a staggering amount of weight.

The flaw? After 30 days or some shit tickets become locked. Not by you, but by Zendesk the platform and can never, ever, be edited in any way again.
 
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My sweet boy.

You will learn that nearly all enterprise software is complete trash and you have no idea why anyone pays for it. The moment you think something is the worst you find the next thing and it's worse.
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Unrelated. But I curbstomped some Indian technology leaders who tried an 11th hour emergency connection of a saas vendor to our redshift in production.

Feels good man
 
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