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Palum

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I'm not sure what you mean. Azure Workflows all do the same thing and specifically things like Logic Apps have tons of pre-built functionality. "Development" in azure is done via a web browser with drag and drop shapes. Well, you can get plugins for VS and would want to for git/repository support but the point is these "low code" products aren't doing anything special at all. Unless its some super niche, industry specific thing.
OK. You're the expert. There's no need to integrate front end, back end, integrations and workflow management in a single pane of glass.
 

Khane

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Well, I guess I'm learning, in real time, why these products succeed.
 

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It kinda sounds like what COBOL was marketed as 60 years ago...

Biztalk is gay and dead by the way Khane
 

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Yes we're deploying a lot of no-code for back office processes (accounting, purchasing, payroll, HR, recruiting, etc.)

No code and low code are somewhat marketing lies. It's true that you can create certain solutions without any custom "code" (at least in some platforms), but even then you have to understand program control flow, logic, integrations, data structures, etc. in order to create anything substantial.

To give an example, we have a no code workflow for purchase requests, and in order to make meaningful human readable and informative instance IDs for process tracking, we had to use regex to replace GUIDs. There's no earthly way random accountant person is going to figure that out on their own.

What this means for us is that some management, some devs and some BAs work on developing solutions as DT projects come up. Most business users are completely incapable, but a few may be able to manage some admin and updates.

Feedback from my devs is that it's really effective and time saving IF your solutions fit the box the platform offers. For us we went with Nintex over Outsystems (and others) because we had a high focus on paperwork reduction. Nintex has much more robust form building/controls, whereas Outsystems has more "app focus" (like MS PowerApps). It reduces a lot of technical debt from random one off web apps to handle one piece of paper some guy made 15 years ago.
Power Apps/Automate can be pretty convenient for places where O365/Sharepoint/etc is in heavy use, and there isn't 'proper' dev support/teams to create tools. That said, they're both kind of like Access; enough rope to do some cool stuff, or hang yourself.
 

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Why do you think I'm talking about the new awful hotness... Logic Apps?
How do I get Microsoft to send me some checks, I always talk up how AMAZING Teams is , I feel I should get something back
 

Palum

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Power Apps/Automate can be pretty convenient for places where O365/Sharepoint/etc is in heavy use, and there isn't 'proper' dev support/teams to create tools. That said, they're both kind of like Access; enough rope to do some cool stuff, or hang yourself.
We reviewed those. They are very bloated for our purposes. Automate ends up a nightmare of distributed workflows because it didn't have a high level way to track and manage parent/child/component relationships. Power Apps is just visual basic.

The killer though is the fact that these mofos wanted $$$$ to integrate into SQL Server because it's a premium connector. Fuck that noise we already pay them millions for enterprise.
 

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We reviewed those. They are very bloated for our purposes. Automate ends up a nightmare of distributed workflows because it didn't have a high level way to track and manage parent/child/component relationships. Power Apps is just visual basic.

The killer though is the fact that these mofos wanted $$$$ to integrate into SQL Server because it's a premium connector. Fuck that noise we already pay them millions for enterprise.
Yeah, the premium connector stuff is shitty. You can kinda get around it for smaller use cases but it’s a pain.
 

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TJT

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I need to go find another job. I just had my manager lecture me about "critical thinking" about an issue none of us have ever considered and that has never happened before. I get that she wants to throw blame somewhere I guess and it was my code causing this issue but it wasn't doing it on purpose and the underlying system interacting with what I was doing was some ancient bullshit literally nobody knew was there. Or doing anything important.

I don't mind fucking up, but I was getting salty because she was going through pretzel logic about it was exactly what she was talking about like 2 months ago. Which it wasn't in any way but now she's doing "I told you so" to everyone. Especially me.
 
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I need to go find another job. I just had my manager lecture me about "critical thinking" about an issue none of us have ever considered and that has never happened before. I get that she wants to throw blame somewhere I guess and it was my code causing this issue but it wasn't doing it on purpose and the underlying system interacting with what I was doing was some ancient bullshit literally nobody knew was there. Or doing anything important.

I don't mind fucking up, but I was getting salty because she was going through pretzel logic about it was exactly what she was talking about like 2 months ago. Which it wasn't in any way but now she's doing "I told you so" to everyone. Especially me.
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moonarchia

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I need to go find another job. I just had my manager lecture me about "critical thinking" about an issue none of us have ever considered and that has never happened before. I get that she wants to throw blame somewhere I guess and it was my code causing this issue but it wasn't doing it on purpose and the underlying system interacting with what I was doing was some ancient bullshit literally nobody knew was there. Or doing anything important.

I don't mind fucking up, but I was getting salty because she was going through pretzel logic about it was exactly what she was talking about like 2 months ago. Which it wasn't in any way but now she's doing "I told you so" to everyone. Especially me.
Talk to her boss first to let him/her know that that shit is unacceptable and requires a public apology yesterday, and give him a chance to put you under someone who isn't a useless bag of shit weighing the company down. Otherwise get your resume updated and get applying for whatever floats your boat and make no bones about it being entirely on her when you leave.
 

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I need to go find another job. I just had my manager lecture me about "critical thinking" about an issue none of us have ever considered and that has never happened before. I get that she wants to throw blame somewhere I guess and it was my code causing this issue but it wasn't doing it on purpose and the underlying system interacting with what I was doing was some ancient bullshit literally nobody knew was there. Or doing anything important.

I don't mind fucking up, but I was getting salty because she was going through pretzel logic about it was exactly what she was talking about like 2 months ago. Which it wasn't in any way but now she's doing "I told you so" to everyone. Especially me.

Dude. You have a woman manager. THERE'S your problem!

I have had three woman managers/directors in my career. All three were nut cases that I had to reign in, since like them, I was at the time pretty much untouchable and could pretty much say how I felt. All three got shitcanned over something silly or totally avoidable.
 

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Granted not IT, but my shittiest manager by far was a dude I reported to for a while in the Air Force. 'Reformed' shit bag who decided to get off his ass before getting kicked out for not making E5 by whatever the cutoff is/was, 15 years? I've had a fair number of women managers and they've all been at worst solid. Have definitely seen others that were below average, but to my recollection the split has been pretty even men:women. Maybe I've just been lucky.
 

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Dude. You have a woman manager. THERE'S your problem!

I have had three woman managers/directors in my career. All three were nut cases that I had to reign in, since like them, I was at the time pretty much untouchable and could pretty much say how I felt. All three got shitcanned over something silly or totally avoidable.
People in general aren't cut out for management, but with women you get the double whammy of emotions and not listening. I've known a few ace women managers, but then again I didn't work for them. The woman who ran marketing was awesome at her job but she was a terror to work for. The woman who ran HR was widely respected. She retired when the company was sold, and I had the displeasure of meeting her replacement. Rude right off the bat and didn't shake hands with anyone. I was out the door, too, but I heard all kinds of horror stories about her. Completely disliked and knew nothing about employment law.

She got demoted and ended up applying at my company. I bumped in to her in the lobby and she had that same unpleasant sneer and dogshit personality. A good way to not get hired? Be rude to the guy who owns the fucking company. I later found out she got demoted again and filed away at a small satellite office in the middle of nowhere.

Probably the worst woman exec I ever met was the woman who owned the state's largest real estate company. She treated everyone like shit, and ended up burning every single bridge and made a list of enemies a thousand miles long. She got piled up in lawsuits and ended up losing everything, and is currently a little old lady in a single person RE office with no listings.
 
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moonarchia

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I have had good and bad managers of both genders. If I really hate working for someone I just move on. My current bosses are all pretty solid, so I hope they stick around until this team gets replaced by AI.
 

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I've only had one female boss in my time as an engineer.

Funnily enough before becoming my boss she was always on lunch when I was and she was HOT with huge tits. I always really liked seeing her pass by because she was easily the hottest woman in the building.

Then one day my boss says I'm leaving... Here's your new boss Jill.

She was pretty unremarkable as a boss, but it was hard not to stare at the sweater hogs.

I'm with TJT, I need a new job. Could do a long rant but it's really just "this is fine" meme here.
 
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Siliconemelons

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I have had a few women managers - or uppers in the chain - surprisingly the one I was with in H.R. was one of my best managers.
 

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I've had multiple women managers and can't think of a bad thing to say about any of them.

The women engineers I've worked with have pretty much all been insufferable though and it seems that there is a positive correlation between seniority and retardation.

Except Chinese women - they've all been super cool and very smart.