Justice for Zimmerman
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hodj
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We have lots of reasons to hate the French, but of them all, the silent e's are definitely top of the list.
Silent e's and stinky stinky cheese. Enough reason to soak the entire French nation in hellfire from the sky.
Adebisi
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Here is just one of the thousands of things we should REALLY be outraged about....
2 shot and killed for a few hundred bucks...
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/b...p/-/index.html
2 shot and killed for a few hundred bucks...
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/b...p/-/index.html
Tanoomba
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If it makes you more comfortable to consider Ebonics a dialect, that's fine. I'm not "lowering the bar" for anyone. I believe Jeantel, as well as anyone else who speaks primarily in "Ebonics" should make a large effort to speak in a manner more conforming to societal expectations. But to accuse Jeantel of not being able to communicate properly is wrong. She can communicate just fine within the community she was raised. She's just going to have to make an effort to communicate better outside of that community if she wants to be taken seriously and have better opportunities in life.
The preconception that there are no "rules" with Ebonics is wrong. It's not jibberish. The rules they follow are not explicit, nor are they as consistent as "conventional" English, but they're there. Someone made a crack about "just replace "er" with "a", but that's an example of one. Pronouncing "ask" as "axe" is another one. You might hear "Where you at?" as broken English, but to people who've primarily spoken that way, it's systematic and completely normal. "Where he at?" "Where dey at?" etc. Again, outside of the communities where such English is spoken, it will be interpreted as a "lower" form of language, but this is circumstantial and not fixed. Heck, the "proper" English we speak today is much, much more lax in terms of grammatical rules and their application than it used to be. Language is dynamic and organic and changes constantly to accommodate shifts in culture.
How the fuck do you think dialects are formed?
Ebonics is nothing more than people trying to paint ignorance and under education in a better light.
hodj
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Saying that bad grammar plus pop culture is a language is, in fact, lowering the bar for everyone.
She clearly can't communicate properly, as per her multiple television interviews and her two straight days of testimony that got George Zimmerman off for killing her friend. You're basically telling us to believe you, over what we watched in the trial, what we've seen of her in multiple interviews, etc.
This is a nonsense argument pretending to be a standard. If I grow up in a group of wolves, I can communicate with them. Doesn't mean I can communicate properly with a broader society. Essentially, again, this argument is composed of soft expectations bigotry. You've lowered the metric for what society would consider being able to effectively communicate to "Being able to effectively communicate with the people you grew up with." This is a clear example of academics getting ahold of a concept and watering it down to make themselves feel better. If you can't effectively communicate with the broader society you are a part of, you can't communicate. The worst part about Jeantel's inability to communicate, Tanoomba, is this:
She was Martin's friend. She clearly had serious issues with authority figures. The entire encounter that led to Martin's death was based on this fact. Martin, and Jeantel, both have trouble with authority figures. They want to "cuss them out" (Jeantel's own statement on Piers Morgan the other night was "I was raised right. I didn't cuss the Defense lawyers out on the stand!" for instance), confront them....fight with them. Zimmerman was called "Cracka" per Jeantel's own words "A name for someone like a police officer" someone in authority. Jeantel's inability to communicate effectively, to handle someone in authority asking her questions without resorting to "Dat's rel retarted, SIR!" was a mirror for Martin's reaction to Zimmerman that night. It was illustrative. It was...a large part of what got Zimmerman off. Why? Because it showed that the reasonable assumption that Martin returned from his house to confront Zimmerman was probably more accurate than any other interpretation of the evidence available.
Then she's not an effective communicator. If the only people you can communicate effectively with are your family and friends, and in every other instance you come across as stone dumb and unable to communicate in a broader society, guess what you are not? An effective communicator.
No, its not. Your own statement includes why
If you don't have the capacity to explicitly write them down, because they aren't consistent, then they aren't rules. They aren't standardized, they aren't formalized. This is the very definition of the term rules.
No, its not systematic, it deviates from one person to another and from one inner city population to another, without any codified or proper structure or format. Whether someone who speaks retard English thinks its okay or not is irrelevant. I if writing start doing this like, what guess happen not did? I didn't just create a new language. That's what. I just wrote a bunch of nonsense. According to your logic, what I just wrote was a new language, I accept it as normal, it allows me to effectively communicate with others, and the system, despite being entirely made up out of whole cloth in a half a second, is structured enough to warrant considering it a new language. This is the reductio ad absurdum of your position.
This discussion began because a few people actually tried to argue the media's narrative that Jeantel speaks "Three languages fluently" was accurate, and the media has been using it as proof that she's smarter than all these evil people on the internet dogging her for her two day disaster on the stand during the trial, who are all just racist anyway. See also: Every post Numbers makes in this thread.
Abefroman
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I want you to educate me. What other dialect changes it's words every 6 months and filled with pop culture? The vernacular I speak at my workplace is more of a dialect because the words don't change every 6 fucking months.
Even if you can prove me wrong and can find a example I will still refuse to accept it. CNN and this case has taught me that if I repeat something wrong enough times it becomes the gospel.
ZyyzYzzy
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I'm not sure if "Where you at" is ebonics. The fact that you spelled all three words correctly makes me think you are applying the standard English pronunciation to the phrase. I must defer to Professor Adebisi to correct you on the correct ebonics of that phrase.
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Here is a test of language vs. dialect. If you are white, go find a member of the black community, and speak ebonics to them. If they find it acceptable when you say "Wakandan" with the frequency and normalcy with which Jeantel described it on Piers Morgan the other night, then the argument for this being a language unto itself is strengthened. Otherwise, it's probably a dialect localized to a particular subset of Americans.
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