Justice for Zimmerman

W4RH34D_sl · Jul 22, 2013

I feel very lucky to live where I live. Everyone is so busy with work, there's no time to be consumed by this shit. Why I was just in the corner store and a black gentleman held the door. There wasn't even an air of resentment in a mixed building.

fanaskin · Jul 22, 2013

Leave it on the table literally nobody but Tanoombalike people care about that point because it has no bearing on current or future reality. It's based purely on hindsight and is meaningless until individuals can predict the future with unerring precision.

Tanoomba · Jul 22, 2013

Famm_sl said:
He never killed anyone before, so he was incapable of ever killing someone? Having a reason would be premeditated, or Murder First, so no shit.

You're probably right, the most likely circumstance is the fight wouldn't have ended in Zimmerman's death. So what? What exactly is that relevant to?

Its not relevant to Zimmerman's threat level and force response, that's been addressed. Its not relevant to Zimmerman's motivations, that's been addressed. Its not relevant to the evidence, that's been addressed. Its not relevant to self defense, that's been addressed. Its not relevant to the fact that Martin was the aggressor, that's been addressed.

Why exactly are you stuck on this "point" endlessly?

Because that's exactly the point some idiot went out of his way to be as big of an asshole as possible to tell me I was wrong about. I don't blame him, most of you misunderstood my point in the same way he did, but at least you've proven that you're capable of understanding what I'm saying. Thank you.

Tanoomba · Jul 22, 2013

W4RH34D_sl said:
There is a thing called accidental dealth. What if he had a blot clot in his head? Or brain swelling?

That's why I accept that death/serious injurycould havehappened. I'm just saying it wasn't the most likely outcome.

hodj · Jul 22, 2013

One punch, man fell to the ground, head hit concrete (sound familiar yet?)

According to court documents, Clifford said Vander Lee was using offensive language. After a verbal confrontation, Clifford struck Vander Lee in the mouth with his right fist. Vander Lee fell backward, hitting his head on the pavement. Clifford fled on foot.

Prosecutors said charges against Clifford were upgraded because Vander Lee would have died without medical intervention. He had two brain surgeries and another operation after an incision erupted.

Tanoomba_sl said:
Because that's exactly the point some idiot went out of his way to be as big of an asshole as possible to tell me I was wrong about.

You are wrong about it and continue to be wrong about it, the most likely outcome is that striking someone's head on concrete repeatedly will eventually injure them severely.

There's no debate to be had here. You're demonstrably wrong.

fanaskin · Jul 22, 2013

iannis · Jul 22, 2013

Famm_sl said:
Isn't this otherwise known as "death"? I'm no doctor....

No, that's being "mostly dead". Entirely different than being dead. With "mostly dead" you can bring them back!

Tanoomba · Jul 22, 2013

fanaskin_sl said:
what's the point of the last 3 pages? why do you keep bringing it up?

if your point has no bearing on reality what's the point of your point?

Because people keep inferring that I'm saying Zimmerman should have acted differently or that it was his fault that somebody died. Despite the number of times I've repeated it people still keep misreading what I'm saying.

Tanoomba · Jul 22, 2013

hodj_sl said:
http://www.brainline.org/content/200...-hospital.html
Que Tanoomba telling us 1 in 1000 is really far too small to be significant, really.

Did you read what you posted? That's 1 in 1000 (already a very small chance) of cases where there was a "brief loss of consciousness, brief period of amnesia, or a sensation of feeling dazed",none of whichapplies to Zimmerman. He doesn't even fall into the 1000 people who would have something to be worried about! If you want to tell me itcould havehappened had the beating continued, that's fine. But in all likelihood it wouldn't have.

hodj · Jul 22, 2013

Tanoomba_sl said:
Did you read what you posted? That's 1 in 1000

Told ya he'd argue 1 in 1000 is a tiny chance

Its not.

Happens every. single. day. around the country and the world.

Also for an English teacher, you can't read for shit

But what if the head injury doesn't cause a coma? What if the head injury just causes a brief loss of consciousness, brief period of amnesia, or a sensation of feeling dazed? A person who has such an injury - termed concussion or mild traumatic brain injury - can look, and even feel, just fine.The problem is, even though the person looks good on the outside, inside the skull there is a small chance that slow bleeding is taking place. After a concussion, the chances of this happening are not large - about 1 in 1000 - but the only way to diagnose it is with that hospital-based CAT scan.

You are literally this bad at your own job. You have a biology and chemistry and anthropology major educating you on your major. This is how much you fail at everything you try to do.

fanaskin · Jul 22, 2013

Tanoomba_sl said:
Because people keep inferring that I'm saying Zimmerman should have acted differently or that it was his fault that somebody died. Despite the number of times I've repeated it people still keep misreading what I'm saying.

People die tanoomba, life isn't infinitly precious and we can't apply an infinite value to human life, it sounds awesome but it leads to irrational effects.

You're idea is based off the premise that we should always do everything humanly possible within all bounds of capability to avoid people dieing, and it sounds great on it's face but playing that out in reality it leads to absurd effects.

http://www.ovc.gov/pubs/helpseries/H...e_Assault.html

Assault victims may face extensive physical, emotional, and financial consequences. Assault victims may have been seriously or permanently injured. Even if they were not injured, they have faced the possibility of death and fears of leaving behind loved ones. These fears and the potential physical aspects of the assault may have a significant immediate and long-term emotional impact on assault victims. And just as everyone reacts to a crisis differently, not everyone copes with the impact of a crisis in the same way or within the same timeframe.

Tanoomba · Jul 22, 2013

hodj_sl said:
Wrong. The human brain shifts inside the skull, striking the insides, bouncing back and forth, ricocheting. Even though there may be no damage visible on the outside, hemmorhaging occurs, brain cells die, veins burst. Blood pours onto the brain. In severe cases this blood may clot. It can kill you.

*thump* I just struck my skull with my palm. *thump* Just did it again. Guess what happened? Nothing. Guess what happens the grand majority of the time someone is hit in the head? Nothing. What you described is what happens when someone is hit in the head with enough force to push the brain against the skull. That's not what happened to Zimmerman and there's no proof that that's what would have happened to Zimmerman.

hodj · Jul 22, 2013

http://www.cdc.gov/traumaticbraininjury/severe.html

Each year, TBIs contribute to a substantial number of deaths and cases of permanent disability. In fact,TBI is a contributing factor to a third (30.5%) of all injury-related deaths in the United States.1On average, approximately 1.7 million people sustain a traumatic brain injury annually.1

Types of Severe TBI
There are two types of severe TBI, each described below by associated causes:
Closed - an injury to the brain caused by movement of the brain within the skull. Causes may include falls, motor vehicle crash, or being struck by or with an object.

Penetrating - an injury to the brain caused by a foreign object entering the skull. Causes may include firearm injuries or being struck with a sharp object.

Potential Affects of Severe TBI
A non-fatal severe TBImay result in an extended period of unconsciousness (coma) or amnesia after the injury. For individuals hospitalized after a TBI, almost half (43%) have a related disability one year after the injury.9 A TBI may lead to a wide range of short- or long-term issues affecting:

Cognitive Function (e.g., attention and memory)
Motor function (e.g., extremity weakness, impaired coordination and balance)
Sensation (e.g., hearing, vision, impaired perception and touch)
Emotion (e.g., depression, anxiety, aggression, impulse control, personality changes)
Approximately 5.3 million Americans are living with a TBI-related disability and the consequences of severe TBI can affect all aspects of an individual's life.10 This can include relationships with family and friends, as well as their ability to work or be employed, do household tasks, drive, and/or participate in other activities of daily living.

Falls are the leading cause of TBIand recent data shows that the number of fall-related TBIs among children aged 0-4 years and in older adults aged 75 years or older is increasing.

Tanoomba_sl said:
*thump* I just struck my skull with my palm. *thump* Just did it again. Guess what happened? Nothing.

That's related to the fact that you lack anything within your skull with which to shift around and smack into things.

But here, again, you imply that Zimmerman's head injuries weren't severe. They were akin to you smacking your head with the palm of your hand.

Your every post is an attempt to play down the threat to Zimmerman, because by playing down the threat to him, you can shift the blame to him.

Don't bother protesting it yet again. You doth protest too much as is.

Tanoomba · Jul 22, 2013

hodj_sl said:
Told ya he'd argue 1 in 1000 is a tiny chance

Its not.

Happens every. single. day. around the country and the world.

Also for an English teacher, you can't read for shit

You are literally this bad at your own job. You have a biology and chemistry and anthropology major educating you on your major. This is how much you fail at everything you try to do.

I'm starting to think you might actually be retarded.
Why don't you ask Famm or Fanaskin to explain? They actually understood the point I'm making. You're still on another planet.

hodj · Jul 22, 2013

Tanoomba_sl said:
I'm starting to think you might actually be retarded.
Why don't you ask Famm or Fanaskin to explain? They actually understood the point I'm making. You're still on another planet.

How many brain injuries have you suffered in your lifetime?

Tanoomba · Jul 22, 2013

fanaskin_sl said:
People die tanoomba, life isn't infinitly precious and we can't apply an infinite value to human life, it sounds awesome but it leads to irrational effects.

You're idea is based off the premise that we should always do everything humanly possible within all bounds of capability to avoid people dieing, and it sounds great on it's face but playing that out in reality it leads to absurd effects.

http://www.ovc.gov/pubs/helpseries/H...e_Assault.html

Assault victims may face extensive physical, emotional, and financial consequences. Assault victims may have been seriously or permanently injured. Even if they were not injured, they have faced the possibility of death and fears of leaving behind loved ones. These fears and the potential physical aspects of the assault may have a significant immediate and long-term emotional impact on assault victims. And just as everyone reacts to a crisis differently, not everyone copes with the impact of a crisis in the same way or within the same timeframe.

Again, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying it's foolish to say that Zimmerman's gun prevented death or serious injury. That's all!

hodj · Jul 22, 2013

Its pretty clear that's exactly what you're saying. You're literally contradicting yourself in the same post now.

"I'm not saying Zimmerman is guilty of going overboard shooting that poor innocent boy, but his gun didn't prevent him from suffering serious injury or possibly death, which, you know, is the only justification for him using that gun to defend himself in the first place."

Jais · Jul 22, 2013

Tanoomba_sl said:
Again, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying it's foolish to say that Zimmerman's gun prevented death or serious injury. That's all!

So you're saying he should have been convicted?

Tanoomba · Jul 22, 2013

hodj_sl said:
But here, again, you imply that Zimmerman's head injuries weren't severe. They were akin to you smacking your head with the palm of your hand.

Your every post is an attempt to play down the threat to Zimmerman, because by playing down the threat to him, you can shift the blame to him.

Don't bother protesting it yet again. You doth protest too much as is.

I'm not "implying" anything, I'm telling you what the evidence shows. Zimmerman's injuries were not severe. He suffered two cuts to the back of the head and a broken nose. His brain was as pure and untouched as a virgin snowfall. Telling me whatcould havehappened is fine. That's entirely acceptable, if a bit contradictory to the evidence. Telling me "He didn't suffer life threatening injuries because he shot Martin before they could occur." is wrong because it implies life-threatening injuries would have taken place had Zimmerman not shot Martin. That's it. That's the whole point. There is no number of studies or articles about brain damage that could have any effect on this one, simple point.

Tanoomba · Jul 22, 2013

Jais_sl said:
So you're saying he should have been convicted?

Of course not. He was entirely justified in the way he acted. My problem's not with Zimmerman, it's with people who assume the gun saved him from death/serious injury.

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