Justice for Zimmerman
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hodj
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Nope. Its the only standard metric which can be applied equally to all states. Its the exact opposite of arbitrary. I didn't pick it because I liked it, if Kentucky sided with the South, we'd be southern by that metric. I picked it because itsfair
Lithose
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As Ary said, and I said in my post, because allegiance to a side is completely arbitrary. The descendents of Augustus were still Romans despite overthrowing the Roman senate. People of the same background can fight against each other. It's happened throughout history, multiple times. Your argument is absurd, it's the last gasp of a desperate man. Stop the self loathing and just deal with your background.
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You're asking me to cite the Roman civil wars? Really? The French Revolution? Your reductionism isn't going to play here. I've provided you with multiple studies and multiple statistically relevant facts. And then given examples of how fallacious and stupid your argument is. Asking to "cite" generally known historical examples is just more desperation.
Lithose
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Appealing to arbitrary designations of economic loyalty isn't going to change present and apparent, verifiable facts. Sorry.
hodj
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Sure, in backwards crazy land.
Where I don't live but you do. Civil War participation is the least arbitrary metric in this debate. Biscuits and gravy and country music: Arbitrary. You picked them because you are a bigot. Its your stereotypes that lead you down that road. That is the definition of arbitrary. Cultural fucking phrenology is your argument.
Lithose
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Were the Romans in the Roman civil war less Roman because they sided against other Romans? Answer. Now.
hodj
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dysphemism. Shitty one. It wasn't just economic loyalty. We shed fucking blood, we sheltered freed slaves, we drove out members of our state who sided with the Confederates. We drew blood for the cause and shed blood too. Nothing arbitrary about it.
Biscuits and gravy and all that bullshit is arbitrary. You need to check your fucking dictionary.
hodj
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No thanks, we're talking about the American Civil War, 2000 years and more after the Romans' civil war.
False analogy.
Loser Araysar
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No, you picked it because it suits your argument.
I get it. You're proud of your state, but ashamed of its racist heritage and the southern lifestyle it leads. You vociferously argue against anyone who thinks that Kentucky is southern (which is just about everyone really) and you eventually you narrow your argument just to one meaningless metric (how does which side you fought on, decide the lifestyle and culture you choose to live in?) and then cling on to it like a drowning man clinging on to a piece of driftwood.
I wonder just how many schools in Kentucky are named after the Confederacy?
Poor guy.
Lithose
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And lol at straw manning sociological studies, with ample statistical evidence, as phrenology. False equivalence and a really bad and desperate one.
hodj
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Nope. Picked it because its the only non subjective metric which can be applied equally to all states. The only people picking positions because it favors them are the ones crying about biscuits and gravy and country music. You literally cannot warp definitions more to try and get to your point of view.
Cry harder.
hodj
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No strawman. Your argument, not sociologists who you appeal to without naming any, YOUR argument is cultural phrenology.
Lithose
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Well, I think that's it.
Being Southern is decided by whether or not you rebelled. But any other civil wars have had no effect on who the people were. Hodj won't answer this obvious illogical conundrum in his argument, because the answer proves how arbitrary a standard of allegiance is. But whatever.
Lithose
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I've cited whole fucking papers, you god damn moron. John Shelton Reed was literally in the god damn post.
hodj
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No you didn't. Citations require links, quotations, not "I read a bunch of sociologists who said this derp so now you have to believe me"
I want you to provide me a standard metric that includes no stereotypes or bias, that relies on a cultural argument, which can be used to divide the states between northern and southern. You can't do it. It doesn't exist. The only fair and applicable metric is the one who is based on historical fact, not specious assumptions based on things like "Who eats more biscuits and gravy".
Loser Araysar
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We also owned a shitton of slaves and were one of the largest slave markets in America!
Also a ton of Kentuckians fought for the CSA!
Never forget us!
Loser Araysar
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Its pretty hilarious. He is so rustled by the fact that he lives in a hillbilly Southern state.
He has become totally irrational.
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